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(AotC) Luminara Unduli and Depa Billaba VS Count Dooku
On the planet of Geonosis the battle rages on in the gladitorial arena.
Anakin and Obi-Wan quickly board a LAAT Gunship and take off after Count Dooku.
While giving chase, one of the Droid Fighters scores a hit on the backside of the LAAT, causing it to crash into a dune below.
Anakin and Obi-Wan aren't seriously hurt, but they cannot continue their pursuit of the Count.
Overhead, Luminara Unduli and Depa Billaba ride aboard a second LAAT.
They follow the Count to his sloop hangar built into the side of a spire.
They jump off the LAAT and run inside the Hagar just as a Droid Fighter targets, and destroys it from behind.
Luminara and Depa run inside.
One, a user of Vapaad and master of Juyo.
The other, a Master of Soresu, a highly agile and supremely flexible Jedi who has been said to have matched Dooku's skills as a duelist. (Wookiepedia)
Count Dooku strides up to meet them, and all have their lightsabers drawn.
They also draw upon the Force.
Depa nearly beat Mace, although he was holding back, in Shatterpoint. Luminara is no pushover, but she's definately no match for Dooku. Dooku has beaten Mace before, but whether that's before or after Vaapad was developed we're not sure. I'd say the women take this fight, after Dooku puts up one hell of a fight, possibly taking out Luminara.
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I say Dooku. The duo are good, but nowhere near the skill of the Count. Luminara should be taken out fairly quickly, we all know how Soresu fairs against Dooku's Makashi (also wookipedia isnt a valid source Council#13 - I highly doubt that Luminara could match Dooku, especially since he can spar the best of the best eg Yoda).
Depa will be much harder however. Makashi isnt the greatest at fighting physical forms, although Dooku is an extremely skilled master. He will easily be able to hold his own against Depa for awhile, killing her with his superior force mastery if things get to much.
Registered: Sep 2006
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Best argument.
And to answer the question, Dooku beat Mace BEFORE he developed Vapaad. Afterwards he would have defiantly smoked Dooku.
But back to Depa.
Just because she knows Vapaad, isn’t a guarantee she could beat Dooku. The reason is because unlike Mace, she hasn’t mastered it at this point yet, she only has a basic knowledge of it.
That would still help her though.
Now, with Luminara, it has been stated before that her skills just about equal the Count's. That, along with the fact her agility and flexibility border on the phenomenal, make her an equal match for Dooku.
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Rampant, your fight is an honorable and noble one.
I love Christopher Lee. His old-school Dracula movies were the best.
And in "Man with the golden gun", he was likely one of the best villans ever.
But realistically, Mace owns him like a peice of funiture.
Rampant, you remind me of the last of the Samurai before they were wiped out.
Fighting for an honorable cause, charging into a maelstrom of death without fear.
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Location: Somewhere in the ancient Sith Empir
Also, I'd likely join your cause.
But on these forums, Im only around to tell things about how they really are.
For Posterity's sake, Im not going to pretend how fights would end up.
But for Chistopher Lee, It is a fight worth fighting for.
Dooku did managed to hold off ROTS Anakin and Obi-Wan for a little while. Obi-Wan is master of Soresu, like Luminara. However, if Unduli wishes to help Depa, like Obi-Wan, she has to go on the offensive. I'm sure Luminara is not as good as Ataru as Obi-Wan. Depa is good, very good, but she's not Anakin or Obi-Wan.
Luminara and Depa both will probably use the Force more than Obi and Ani, however Dooku could use his own abilities.
I see Dooku actually winning this. I believe he will choke and throw Luminara away like he did to Obi-Wan and then proceed to defeat Depa. If Luminara is not fully dead, then the Count of Serenno finishes her off.
I believe Dooku wins.
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In AotC Im not sure Obi-Wan was actually a master of Soresu yet, he had only been studying it for a while.
Also, In attacking Dooku, It would be the other way around: Depa would go on the offensive with her Juyo attacks and Vapaad, whilst Luminara, being the expert of defense, would gaurd Depa's weak points in the fight and concentrate on defending the duo.
It is possible in the event of a Force Choke that Luminara could absorb the attack through the Force, however, even If she coulden't and Dooku proceeded to toss her away like a rag doll, Depa would surely lean in and attack his exposed areas while Dooku was momentarily preocupied.
Actually, if she would guard her weak spots, that means she would have to stand in front of her to do anything, which would make Depa's attacks no threat against Dooku. And the fact that they don't really work as good as a team as Obi and Ani did, (and the fact that they didn't have such a super tactic, though they were called THE jedi duo), I doubt these two will.....
And I doubt they are strong enough to withstand Dooku's force powers...
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Registered: Sep 2006
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True, not bad.
But, by gaurding her weak spots, I meant Luminara would employ Soresu defensive techniques whilst moving and bending around Depa while she attacked.
Movement of that sort is actually Luminara's specialty.
And with Dooku's powers, perhaps Depa could use Vapaad to nullify/reflect them...
Then it would require EXTREME teamwork, which I don't belive they have. And Dooku is a master swordsman, I belive he could hold them both of long enough to take out Luminara with the force (like he did with Obi) then handle Depa after a tough battle...
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Dooku wins. ROTS Anakin > Depa while ROTS Kenobi > Luminara. So Dooku would be able to dispose of Luminara at least as easily as he disposed of Obi-Wan in ROTS. Then it's just him vs. Depa, Depa's good but the Count would beat her.
Sep 19th, 2006 11:40 PM
Sorry, my mistake.
