Worked in daycare when I was 19, I had a pre-K who seemed ADHD, come to find out, the parents beat the snot out of him too early in life (he was only pre-K, so not sure WHEN they decided to beat him, when he was crying as a tot or baby???) so much that he was no longer sensitive to rebuke, as he already knew that beatings take x amount of time, so therefore, he did what he willed. It was hard, he was very sensitive to taking directions, if I spoke sternly, he started to rebel and would yell and throw chairs and go wild, he did this with every instructor/teacher, while other kids just went along as told. I felt so much for him, as I understood the entire story and he was just a lil kid, and already at odds with authority, that broke my heart. I am not in the mental health care profession, so I can't state that he was ADHD or bi-polar.
Maybe the mother had a terrible child bearing experience, and took this out on the child starting from infancy, maybe she was unhealthy while pregnant, and the proper amount of chemicals needed to balance the brain was not passed on to the fetus, maybe she drank too much, or didn't take her prenatal vitamins, something went terribly wrong, and now, we, society, figuring out what to do. He's still a person, God. He was passed on from one instructor to the next, and each time, he started rebelling in violent rants, throwing things, hitting instructors, throwing chairs, scaring other kids b/c he would go wild.
Do you think ADHD is a spiritual issue?
We know that light can be energy or matter (please don't read anything into this, such as "she's trying to sound smart", please just add value if you can, no egoism, please). De Broglie's equation states that all mater has wave-particle duality, which means, matter is BOTH energy and substance. When we want to treat disease, we still only treat the matter/substance, we ignore the energy/spirit, do you think that's why the meds aren't working as effectively? do you think it's treatable or do you even recognize it as a disease?
Why not just ask what we think of ADHD and bipolar disorders?
Why the hell do you have to bog it down with all your stupid shit about race or spirituality or gad or good and evil?
Or better yet, is there any form of stupidity and racism you haven't encountered? No one likes the person who ALWAYS has a story to relate. People who do are either lying or exaggerating.
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Spiritually is part of the question, if you don't like questions, I don't know what to advise you.
Were you the type of student who would heckle a kid for asking "dumby" questions, just to find out that the kid MAY know much more then you, but you wouldn't have guessed based on the judgement of his questions?
God and Good and Evil, all are part of life, if you don't like that, Devil, you can leave me alone and my threads (in the name of Jesus).
OMAN, it's only irrelevant if you find it that way, and you expressed it so delicately, I almost missed it.
What do you think is the root cause of ADHD or b-polar, esp. if meds and talk-therapy isn't working well?
We are made up of matter/energy, wouldn't you agree? And although matter is all Carbon based elements, energy is totally frequency/wavelength. If we are treating behavior with meds (that effect the body/carbon based system: brain/body), and we are sure that treatments for the carbon-based system isn't properly working, is it really that irrelevant to even MENTION the spirit/energy? The other half of our being?
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Re: What do u think of ADHD & bi-polar conditions?
I don't think ADHD is a proper diognosis, although I wouldn't be surprised to find attentional defecits.
Bi-polar, absolutly not.
I think the condition you are describing is called childhood trauma
PPD?
ok, here is my diognosis, seeing as I am not a health care professionsl.
Child is neglected. Child is beat. Child gets attention when they are beat. To get attention the child acts out. Because people give the child attention he continues to act out.
ADHD is not misbehaviour. /sigh
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factually incorrect. "wave-particle duality" means that something has the properties of a particle when measured one way, and the properties of a wave when measured another. It cannot be either. Most matter does not follow this until we reach the quantum level where it collapses, and we do not witness quantum effects in our daily life, especially in our brains.
energy, as described by physics, is a "placeholder for potential action". so ya, there isn't "human energy" or "spirit".
See, here is the problem with ADHD. Its not that it is really common or an epidemic (its not, very few children really have it) nor is it made up (fMRI studies have located parts of the brain associated with it) and it isn't a matter of not having proper treatment (both behavioural and pharmacological solutions have been very successful in treating real ADHD).
The problem is that idiots like you don't know what it is, and then you start labeling children as X, and getting mad at people in the psychologocal and neurological community when too many kids are addicted to the amphetamine based treatments because you keep telling them they need to take it.
Oh, and nobody takes their child to proper specialists. They go to their GP, they tell them what the comercial told them to give their kids, and blamo.
Before you even think about talking about a psychological disorder, look it up in the DSM. Its not that hard, and you wont look like you are talking out your ass.
Oh wait... this isn't a topic about ADHD at all, but in fact a way for you to talk about all of your nonsense spiritual crap and now confuse people even more who have had nothing but media misinformation fed to them about psychological disorders.
I think ADHD by and large is bullcrap. I was told that i had ADHD when i was fourteen. My therapist told me at the time that without medication and continued therapy i may never find a balance in my concentration. However, when i began to make an effort to focus i know longer had ADHD.
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We wouldn't see effects of quantum levels in our brain, b/c our brains are mostly analog system anyway.
I understand wave/particle duality. What I am suggesting is that we are both. Remember Niels Bohr, the one who helped us with the atom? The only thing he had wrong was that the atomic diagram of his ORIGINAL MODEL (it's so abstract, I don't discount him for drawing the wrong model, plus that's the only thing he was wrong about, from what I recall, but some of you folks may know better then I, if so, please do tell, as he was one of my favorite scientists). Well, a lot of folks like himself were spiritualist, and he believed in a Bohrian mind, something that the N. Americans described as the great web in the sky (how the minds of man are "connected" in space). N. Bohr was heckled for his ideas about the spirit realm, it happens all throughout our history, technology or new thinking is never as retarded as our own ego, and we live a retarded life b/c we deny things b/c we are too scared to admit fear and then, address our fears, so that's why it took a long time for us to enjoy wireless, not b/c of some grand gov't cover-up, but b/c people weren't ready to see devices work that on a remote level, yeah, part of it was the erroneous mindset of church goers, but, that's not necessarily the church's fault. I've been to churches were the pastors BEG their followers to read, read, and read, but the attendees would rather not and have it spoon fed, who's fault is that? WE are at fault, as we oscillate back and forth, we can't take both spirit and matter at the same time, and we can't accept new ideas very fast.
If you don't believe that energy is the spirit, then that stops the conversation right there.
what i am saying is the obvious, that carbon, a black substance, makes up ALL matter, and that energy (light), a white substance, makes up the spirit (although can radiate at different frequency levels), and I am suggesting that we are made up of both carbon/matter-energy/spirit, I am suggesting we are both and that when treating disease, if the issue can't be resolved with chemicals (which derive from carbon), then maybe the other solution could be energy/spirit? lame, sure, but who knows.
and info on the "Bohnian mind" isn't easily accessed, and no, i didn't make it up.
Re: Re: What do u think of ADHD & bi-polar conditions?
I was told by one of the psychiatrists* that I went to that children are over diagnosed with ADD and ADHD all the time. From what I understand, the pharmaceuticals prescribed for those diagnoses will not work properly on a child that does not truly have ADD or ADHD. He said it would make them hyper, not calm them down. He said that the meds are stimulants (Which I discovered that this is correct) and a peculiar function of ADHD is a calming effect when stimulants are put into the patients system in a proper dose. I can personally testify that this is true. When I take Adderall, though I feel like I get more energy, I actually calm down, I am not bouncing off the walls, AND I can focus on a task longer than usual. (You would have to meet me to see how wicked crazy I am.)
I am extremely skeptical when it comes to “psycho-meds” but I can honestly say that when I was a child, Ritalin worked and now as an adult, Adderall worked.
*He was an ADD and ADHD specialist. I went to him when I was 20 to see if I should be medicated as an adult.
Well, if some agree that ADHD/bi-polar conditions are a disease, and the diseases are stemmed from spiritual control moreso then matter/carbon (pharm-meds, too much or not enough lithium, brain chemistry, all stem from carbon), then maybe the spiritual aspect could treat the disease better, but getting science to recognize the spirit/energy world is really a battle.
So... your whole argument boils down to "Think you're okay and you will be." You really should have just said that at the very beginning instead of diarrhea'ing all over the forum.
Wow, if I left my self-esteem with you, I may not even want it back after reading that.
I really don't know much about ADHD or bi-polarism, but what if science were to treat energy and have prescribed treatments for conditions that seem to override chemical treatements?
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