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Apocalypse vs. Martian Manhunter
Apoc vs. J'onn Jonzz. Me vs. Martian. This fight has been a long time coming. Apocalypse is classic version. Martian is himself post-Fernus. no fernus transformation, or fernus level powers. Anything else, is legal. Martian, you get to start. Let's rock, baby.
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I dont' see how they can put each other down. They have nearly the same power set. MM I think has a slight edge in TP and Apoc has a slight Edge in Strength and Energy projection. Given that Apoc can just keep amping his strength indefinitely.
I'll do the whole scannage thing after dinner,but for the moment i'll just state why i think Jonn would win.
Strength:Apocalypse lacks any feats to suggest he is as strong as Jonn.Sure he once restrained Hulk by sneaking up on him,but so what?Jonn has held Orion,Wonder Woman and Big Barda all at once whilst being unfazed by a combined attack from aquaman and plasticman.
Speed:Jonn has flown around the entire Planet in the time it took a person to draw breath,Flown across a city and blocked some bullets that were already fired,Flown at Mach 11 and gone across the entire watch tower to block a point-blank energy beam from Maggedon.
Durability:Apoc may be on Jonn's level on this one,However Jonn was the only member of the JLA still conscious after an energy blast that koed Superman,Wonder Woman,Aquaman,Green Lantern and Batman.
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NO just no. Apoc was able to battle the HE on many fronts. Using strength, energy blast and Speed. You don't fight the HE unless you have Superior Strength, durability and Speed. I clearly think Apoc out classes john in strength. At least for the long run. Jon doesn't seem to be able to hold his strength and Durability up to Superman lvls for long.
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Apocalypse's molecular control means he has far superior durability. It also means he can infinitely amp his stats. Not to mention the 'any physical super power' thing. Apocalypse has taken enormous amount of damage, so don't try to put J'onn over him on that or Strength. Speed, ok. You win that one, but again, Apocalypse can amp and give himself powers. It's well within his powerset. Energy powers, Apoc hands down. Not to mention the celestial technology. J'onn can put up a good fight, but Apoc can win this one. Oh, and J'onn's little weakness still gives Apoc a major advantage. And don't try to claim he doesn't have the pyrophobia, he still does. Apoc will figure it out during their battle, or get it from martian's mind, or because he'll enjoying the fight and the explosions will freak MM out. *blows fingers* your move, bub.
Edit: I'd say they are semi-tied on healing, but Apoc handles pain better. Guy has an eye of the tiger mentality when he wants to survive. and Apoc can heal certain kinds of damage more easily and possibly faster with his molecular control.
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Jonn beat Triumph in H2H and Triumph is Supermans physical equal.He recently bitchslapped a White Martian in open combat after beind drstically weakened and managed to hold out against dozens of white martians for three pages.
Even if he isn't capable of holding out against Apoc strengthwise he can just phase ou and rest whilst mindraping Apoc.Not to mention a speedblitz.Apoc has no method of putting Jonn down,Jonn does.
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Apocalypse has matter manipulation and celestial tech. He can put J'onn down. Apoc is probably the weaker TP, but he has the superior power reserves and energy with his energy manipulation. J'onn simply can't hang at Apoc's level long enough to beat him. Not to mention he has no way of beating Apoc's molecular control.
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....WTF Jonn has the exact same Molecular control as Apoc does,so it's well within Jonns power set to give himself any physical power.
Not to mention that any physical advantage Apoc has Jonn can counter with phasing and telepathy,not to mention that pyrophobia IS gone,he recently waded through Batmans flamethrower and walked out of a flaming peice of machinery.
Apoc won't be doing Jack to Jonns mind.Are you crazy?Apocs dealing with a guy who makes Xavier look like a retarded puppy.70 White martians coulkdn't peirce the mind of a weakened Jonn.Out of all the JLA only Jonn had the mind strength to hide his thoughts from a whole telepathic army.
Now,Apocs mind is easy putty for Jonn,What with Jonn peircing SPB mind with ease,stopping the Spectre and dragging his ass into the astral plain,putting two white martians into coma's,turning Joker sane etc...
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What the? MM DOES NOT HAVE MOLECULAR CONTROL OR MATTER MANIPULATION. Where do you get that shit? Apocalypse has been able to injure others who had phasing and he has the power set and technology to be able to do so. Hold it. He himself said: "The flame and I are again bound, body and soul... but not as before... I can withstand simple fire without pain. Candle flame, or a burning forest, it matters not unless -- they are flames of psychic significance. Flames of suffering, as The Burning created... flames of passion, as an arsonist might create... flames of love. Those... those most of all I cannot bear." That's the canon for MM. I already conceded the TP superioty, but J'onn won't be able to mindrape Apoc easily. And Apocalypse has greater stamina and he can infinitely increase his powers and energy. The Spectre feat is quasi-PIS, SPB does not have any kind of TP defense, and even J'onn admitted he could barely hold Joker's sanity together. The last one is impressive, but let's not say he's the god of telepaths.
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Well pardon me for commenting on a thread open to us all. Maybe you two should PM each other. I give Them 5/10 each if it matters. John has been owned by far less than Apoc. And John has NEVER faced a foe as mighty as the HE. The fight is dead even.
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Matter manipulation feats.
Apocalypse is able to generate a seemingly endless supply of projectiles from his body is very interesting, it seems it’s energy so more to add to the self generating energy fire. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...apocenergy2.png
Here's a scan attesting to Apoc's will power, and just how much he was weakened during the X-cutioner's song arc. This is a major willpower demonstration.
Jonn has complete control of his own molecular structure,,,,thats how he heals and shapeshifts Apoc has no matter control to speak off outside his own body,prove it.
What Jonn says and what Jonn does are two different things,seeing as how fire didn't hurt him,and flames of passion.....Apoc doesn't have a loving bone in his body,not that it would matter anyway as Jonns shown invulnerability to flames again and again as of OYL.
Really?Apoc has hit people who've phased their body into other dimensions?really?
Apoc has no feats that put him on Jonns level in Strength,Speed or TP,Apoc CAN'T WIN.
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and Apoc can heal certain kinds of damage more easily and possibly faster with his molecular control.
Apocalypse has been able to injure others who had phasing and he has the power set and technology to be able to do so. Hold it. He himself said: "The flame and I are again bound, body and soul... but not as before... I can withstand simple fire without pain. Candle flame, or a burning forest, it matters not unless -- they are flames of psychic significance. Flames of suffering, as The Burning created... flames of passion, as an arsonist might create... flames of love. Those... those most of all I cannot bear." That's the canon for MM. I already conceded the TP superioty, but J'onn won't be able to mindrape Apoc easily. And Apocalypse has greater stamina and he can infinitely increase his powers and energy. The Spectre feat is quasi-PIS, SPB does not have any kind of TP defense, and even J'onn admitted he could barely hold Joker's sanity together. The last one is impressive, but let's not say he's the god of telepaths. 
Apoc has no matter control to speak off outside his own body,prove it.
