* Cyclops without his powers can still be a team leader, but should not be in the battlefield... but if he chooses to, he can just wear an armor and hold a gun... he already flaunts his marksmanship using a gun (pistol) in the Breakworld story arc, shooting without looking, ha!
I am pretty sure they imply it a power. To assume he be that good with any range weapons is a strech to say the least.
Psylocke is another one that was not mention who could be a solo hero.
scot pushing it, his agility feats are impressive for a character biult upon range, but it not street level. His MA the little we have seen over the year is pretty impressive, street level I am not sure.
What range weapon has he even showed? Aside from one showing using a gun? I mean that hardly means he posses any form of crazy accuracy.
I tend to lean towards powers it makes more senses for me at least. It make more senses that his powers allow him to make impossible angles and rebounds, becuase he posses a special awareness which allows him to instinctively make these type of shots. Though I believe his training has honed this ability to it utmost potential. Also think his blind fighting is also aided by this ability, but not nearly to the extent and that far more trained skill is involved compared to his accuracy with his powers.
I had a different perception of the level. I was thinking Barton level as ronin maybe slightly lower classifies as hero's that are ready to go. Most any comic hero could take common thugs, in h2h. Which would make this thread rather pointless because most any hero can take on muggers and small crooks.
Bishop would be ready to go due to his proficiency with range weapons, his military training for survival and ambush type tactics, and his h2h prowesses.
Hercules give time to get uses to not possessing powers could as well.
X-23, War Path (though he may need some training he might be a little to brawlerish at times, domino, Elektra assuming her telepath, chi amping ect. counts as powers which I would believe not since there through MA prowesses of the dark arts of ninjistu, Death Stroke, new swordsmen, Maverick for sure. I think of other later.
Who ever said Kitty was a good choices she master of several styles and proficient in many others. She posses training the granted her life time of knowledge from Ogun who is uber tier fighter and greatest sword fighter to ever live. She master with swords, ninja stars, bo staff amoung other weapons. She was extensivly train by Wolverine in several styles including ancient form of Krav Maga, cali sticks as well. She also master in ninjistu possesing high levels of stealth and ambush skills along with her extremely high level of Martial Arts prowesses in both hand to hand and weapons
Which means almost nothing when it unlike almost any type of weapon out there and activated by a power.
Yes but more or less he reach his potential with it. It like jean with her powers, through time she got stronger and better with them. His ability allows him to have 6th senses inhuman one which helps him instinctively know how and were to shoot it, but in order to master it he needed certain practice to optimize the ability.
Similar example would be DD radar senses and senses in general. He had the powers, the ability, but it took training to reach there potential.
I disagree, she been shown being trained with Logan if not mistaken several times displaying high level of skills. She also fought Ogun her self almost if not a decade after her being possessed, she display her skill with the blade when she fought death Wolverine (showed how her powers could make her such a more savage). She display her skills numerous times, but it simply not display as much as other parts of her character and a lot has to do with writers leaving parts out of the character. I mean wheldon astonishing x-men was pretty much the last story she was in so not surprised you did not remember her skills have been display many times. He did not even acknowledge that Wolverine and Kitty even had a relationship, so I was less then surprises in the arc that they simply left out how skilled she is. There was a number of times were she could have effectively used thoses skills in the arc.
you asked for a range weapon, and he requires accuracy and skill to use it.
jean got better because her telepathy and telekinesis were like muscles. they could be trained. sure, he practiced, but if he had the skill already built in, he wouldn't have needed to do that much to make it any better.
i still don't see it as a power. some people can naturally have similar abilities and they don't even have superpowers.
His optic blast is a power. People extremely good aim with a power, that shoots out of your eyes, and beeing good wit convential fire arms wepaons ect. are not even remotely similar.
He was pretty dam good from the get go. He still need to effectively uses it, just becuase you have a special 6th senses of spacial awareness does not mean you automatically a beast. Sure your naturally much better then others, but you still need to learn how to effectively learn how it works. Similar to night crawler. He naturally mathmetically knows his weights and so forth inorder to teleport it, but it took him some time to understand how effectively teleport others. Not becuase he did not have the natural ability, but because he was uneducated in it uses. Everypower to soem exent needs certain amount of understand and training. That however does not mean that the power is a learn skill that can be applied to other things, becuase it not. It an uncanny ability to honed to potential, is simply a skill he learned from scratch. Hell Wolverine did not even understand how his claws worked at first, it does not mean he does no have a natural instinct and ability with them.
You dont see Matt radar senses and superhuman senses he received through an accident which granted him both abilities as a power? How does that make any senses.
What people naturally have similar abilities with out powers? Because the only person with radar senses aside from DD was two other individuals, when was a mutant of sorts and it was his power and Stick who has numerous powers......so I really dont get this comment at all.
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