Liberals allegedly sympathize with the plight of poor and middle class (though not white suburbanites), and yet every discussion on how unchecked immigration hurts the working poor involves dismissing relevant points with DEY TUK OUR JERBS or some castigation about being xenophobic.
What gives, lefties? Aren't you supposed to be on the side of the poor?
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I think it is more complicated than you are making it out to be, Zeal. Like the money they put back into the system, including taxes, taking jobs that would not exist otherwise, and that no Americans would take, and the far decreased prices of certain goods.
Immigration is not a bad thing in itself, illegal immigrants aren't necessarily bad either. I assume you are not mad at teenagers for taking jobs.
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That seems like an outrageous and incorrect claim. Liberals, like conservatives are people, and many of them care about many different things besides themselves.
Certain ideals associated with American liberalism however are very much designed to care about a mass of people not just yourself.
Illegal immigrants only do the jobs Americans "won't do" because those jobs do not pay enough for Americans to want to do them. If we naturally let market forces go to work, the wages of those jobs would rise until the jobs became attractive to Americans, and then Americans would take those jobs. To allow illegal immigrants to undercut Americans while simultaneously helping out large corporations at the expense of our nation is anti-American.
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Or some jobs would just not get done, or be outsourced to other countries, or prices for the goods produced by these jobs would rise significantly. Again it's a complex issue and the stance of "Illegals steal our jobs" is too simplistic and outright wrong in many cases.
To not invite and assimilate hard working people into the USA is Anti-American, to not cherish and support immigration is Anti-American.
This may be the only thing you've said that I agree with. Obviously, if you try and compete with a country that has a much lower minimum wage, you're going to get your ass kicked. People have been suckered into a plan that a three year old could see the holes in.
and I get your point, the same thing was seen when the Berlin wall came down and when the EU started opening up travel between member states, and huge amounts of unskilled labour moved from eastern Europe into the West, it caused massive impacts on a global level.
though, I feel open trade is far more deleterious to the American poor, its not like Latinos are coming and taking all the manufacturing sector jobs in America. Those jobs don't exist any more because they have moved to nations were labour is relatively free.
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