I'm not sure if this thread has been made before or not, but i thought i would post it here since it's a belief by some people and something i think could be possible. So are Mutants real...are they out there?
I read a story a little while back that i wish i could find the article i read about it, but i can't find it. (still searching). It told about a girl who was is Ruissia. She seemed to have powers telekinesis, but until she was tested no one knew for sure. She was put into a room and asked questions, but soon she grew tired of it and then that's when things turned bad. She was reported throwing a chair across the room without
lifting a finger. When they got to her and grabed her arms to take her back to her quarters she threw a table across the room shattering the glass which was the view point for the doctors who i assume were taking notes. The report also said that the files disappeared and cannot be found that now only eye wittnesses are left to tell what happened.
So, do they exsist? If they do why should they hide? Wouldn't there be some who would band together and believe they are the evolved humans, the better beings of the planet such as the brotherhood in x-men? What do you think?
Mutants exist, since all life is the result of mutation. But X-men style mutation, no. That story is really weak, since all the purported evidence "disappeared" soon after the event supposedly took place. Eye witnesses don't count as evidence.
In any case, DNA isn't so powerful that it allows us to break the laws of physics.
Here are brief outlines of some people who have demonstrated remarkable PK abilities:
Stanislawa Tomczyk. Born in Poland, Tomczyk came to the attention of investigators when it was reported that startling poltergeist-like activity occurred spontaneously around her. She could control some telekinetic feats, but only under hypnosis. In this hypnotic state, Tomczyk took on a personality that called itself "Little Stasia" who could levitate small objects when Tomczyk placed her hands on either side of them. In the early 1900s, one investigator, Julien Ochorowicz, watched these levitations at very close range and observed something like fine threads emanating from her palms and fingers, although they were examined carefully before the experiment. And it didn't seem to be a trick. "When the medium separates her hands," Ochorowicz observed, "the thread gets thinner and disappears; it gives the same sensation as a spider's web. If it is cut with scissors, its continuity is immediately restored." In 1910, Tomczyk was tested by a group of scientists at the Physical Laboratory in Warsaw where she produced remarkable physical phenomena under strict test conditions.
Nina Kulagina. One of the most celebrated and scrutinized psychics to claim psychokinetic powers was Nina Kulagina, a Russian woman who discovered her abilities while attempting to develop other psychic powers. Reportedly, she has demonstrated her powers by mentally moving a wide range of nonmagnetic objects, including matches, bread, large crystal bowls, clock pendulums, a cigar tube and a salt shaker among other things. Some of these demonstrations have been captured on film. The skeptics contend, of course, that her abilities would not stand up to scientific testing, and that she may be nothing more that a clever magician.
Uri Geller. Geller is one of the most well-known "psychics" who has publicly demonstrated feats of psychokinesis: spoon and key bending have become almost synonymous with Geller's name. Although many skeptics and magicians consider his metal-bending performances nothing more than adroit sleight-of-hand, Geller has allegedly shown that he can manifest the effects over great distances and in multiple locations. On a British radio show in 1973, after demonstrating key bending to the astonishment of the host, Geller invited the listening audience to participate. Just minutes later, phone calls began pouring into the radio station from listeners all over the UK reporting that knives, forks, spoons, keys and nails began to bend and twist spontaneously. Watches and clocks that had not run in years began to work. It was an event whose success surprised even Geller and thrust him into the spotlight
Wow very nice AOR. Now that's what i believe in. People who have powers such as those people. Everyone has these powers, but we just are not able to tap into them. We only use 5% of our brain they say if we just used 2% more we could hit the first marks of telekinesis. So maybe if we focus and work for it, a few years later we could possibly start moving objects...small objects mind you, but still who knows.
I don't believe stuff like that. It's easy to fake on film, and it's entirely possible that every one of the radio callers simply thought they saw the spoons/whatever bend and were mistaken. People also lie, especially when their claims are made over a purely auditory medium.
I also doubt that if there was really good evidence for any of these phenomena, more people wouldn't know about them. If, in a series of controlled scientific tests carried out by different individuals, somebody demonstrated that they could move stuff around by thinking about it, or read minds, or whatever, it would be pretty big news.
Edit: Btw, it's total bull that we only use 5% of our brains. Even if we didn't have ways of looking at brain activity, it makes no evolutionary sense that we would have this mass of tissue in our heads that was 95% useless.
I find much of this clearly brain candy, than actual truths. However just because the skeptic mind finds it hard to believe, doesn't mean we should throw away the idea entirely.
You seem to believe that the world would be all fine and dandy if all of a sudden science were to prove a certain "mutant gene" that allows the user the ability to warp reality. X-men, as fictional as it may be, shows a society that isn't far different then our own. Even the government, for both the safety and well being of the general public, would never publicise the discovery of a "tested gifted" person until they were positive that both the test subject and the people were safe. Even then, they would still be hesitant.
You say it's hard to prove a mutant ability, yet you disclaim the thought of use using (and it's actually 15% not 5) no more than 15% of our brains. Your very much correct in saying that we don't have the technology now to measure the brains activity. Where science is getting close, we aren't anywhere close yet. Which is what supports the theory. Science, which is completely dependant on the mind set of humans, can not even explain a thought. What is evident to science is existent, and what is not, isn't. However, just because we don't have the means to measure the brains activity, doesn't mean we know the brains activities. You disagree with the thought of 15% or 5%, so lets say we use 80%. Now 50 years, 100 years, a MILENIA later we come up with a device that measures the brain activity, and infact it is 15%. Does that mean that the brain activity is only 15% now? No, it's always been 15%. Just like you can't say (not you personally) "Mutant powers don't exsist because we don't have a means of testing them."
However you must know that my views of this are completely unbiased, and my ealier post was to help Vladarion. I believe that people are gifted, and there will come an age where we may be able to manipulate the physcial matter around us to fit our wishes. Whether it be the complete control of metal, or the increasing of molecular movement in a given place with a set direction of atoms (heat vision). Therefore I am patient and open to the possibility, but not a fanatic to immidiatly jump the band wagon...
And yet you come and here and tell us that "the gorvernment is testing on new breeds." Such a claim is fallacy and heresy punishable by death. How do you plead?
the story is a hoax. the chances of something crazy like that happening and all evidence...dissapearing is very unlikely and very made up. but mutation is out their. have you heard of the modern day magento family. it was a family and items like silverware stuck to their bodies. not sure if that's mutation or what
Actually, people have been doing it for centuries. The last time you ate a strawberry (from the grocery store), it was an octoploid genetic mutant created by scientists. I'm not kidding.
"I find much of this clearly brain candy, than actual truths. However just because the skeptic mind finds it hard to believe, doesn't mean we should throw away the idea entirely."
I'm not throwing it away—just saying that the evidence that exists for anything like it currently is crap.
"You seem to believe that the world would be all fine and dandy if all of a sudden science were to prove a certain 'mutant gene' that allows the user the ability to warp reality. X-men, as fictional as it may be, shows a society that isn't far different then our own. Even the government, for both the safety and well being of the general public, would never publicise the discovery of a 'tested gifted' person until they were positive that both the test subject and the people were safe. Even then, they would still be hesitant."
Scientists don't keep "controversial" discoveries a secret, like so many people tend to believe. The X-men comment is meaningless, as I merely said that if there WERE mutants, we would know about them... I don't see people with psychic powers being oppressed.
"You say it's hard to prove a mutant ability, yet you disclaim the thought of use using (and it's actually 15% not 5) no more than 15% of our brains. Your very much correct in saying that we don't have the technology now to measure the brains activity. Where science is getting close, we aren't anywhere close yet. Which is what supports the theory. Science, which is completely dependant on the mind set of humans, can not even explain a thought. What is evident to science is existent, and what is not, isn't. However, just because we don't have the means to measure the brains activity, doesn't mean we know the brains activities. You disagree with the thought of 15% or 5%, so lets say we use 80%. Now 50 years, 100 years, a MILENIA later we come up with a device that measures the brain activity, and infact it is 15%. Does that mean that the brain activity is only 15% now? No, it's always been 15%. Just like you can't say (not you personally) 'Mutant powers don't exsist because we don't have a means of testing them.'"
I never said that X-men-style mutant powers don't exist, just that there's no proof to support their existence. Nor did I say that we don't have the capacity to measure brain activity... We can, and do, pretty regularly. Granted, we have little idea what electromagnetic pictures of lit-up brains mean, but when we can physically see all parts of the brain being used at different times, why would we doubt that we use the whole thing? And as I said before, it makes no evolutionary sense that we would have an organ in our heads that was only 15% useable, especially one as complex as the brain.
Frankly, I wish there were people with "mutant powers", because it would be really damn cool, I'm just not one to impose a comic book series on reality simply because I like the idea.
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