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Re: Yoda vs. Caedus
Yeah yeah yeah, everyone hates Caedus.
Moving right along...
1. A hard match. I would give it to Caedus by a slim margin considering he put up a good fight against Luke and managed to beat Kyle Katarn and a trio of other Jedi, although the Yoda-Caedus height difference would sway the odds more towards Yoda, but not far enough.
2. Most likely Yoda. Though Caedus has Force lightning, Force Choke, and Shatterpoint, I think that the little green oven mitt has (sadly) more power in this area than Caedus.
3. Even harder than #1, but I would give it to Caedus if he can employ the same tactics he used against Katarn (e.g. using the Force subtly to damage his opponent while still dueling). There's lots of things in Jabba's Palace that he can use to his advantage against Yoda, though Yoda could do the same.
I'm only holding back here because everyone has such an unprovoked hate against Caedus.
Oh, and the rematch on Geonosis goes the same way.
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^shatterpoint could also help Caedus in saber combat. Putting the hate of the Caedus authors aside, I would say that Caedus does stand a chance of taking this, he has shown himself to able to take more pain then any character except for Sion.
Last edited by Elite Hunter on May 27th, 2008 at 01:28 AM
I didn't read Invincible too thoroughly (I pretty much only read it to get the major plotpoints), but I do recall that Jaina Solo admitted in a meeting with Luke Skywalker and the Jedi Council that there were "many" Jedi Masters and Knights whose prowess with a blade and mastery of the Force exceeded her own, yet she defeated her brother in single combat. However, if memory serves, most of those same Masters believed that only Luke held a certain dominance over his nephew, and Bloodlines, I believe, confirmed that Jacen was "second only" to Luke in the Order, as demonstrated in his defeat of Kyle Katarn and Katarn's squad of Jedi Knights. Was it stated how Jaina overcame Caedus? Or was it merely PIS?
I haven't read the book yet( Im waiting for it to be put up online) but from what i understand via a p.m. and wookieepedia is that it caedus lost the use of 1 arm via a sniper rifle shot from Jaina than he willingly let her chop it off the first time. And thought he was facing luke.
Before the second duel even started Jaina snuck up from behind him and stabbed him through the gut and even during the duel Caedus was focused on his family mainly Allana.
So yea it sounds like the Any given Sunday clause to me. Should the 2 had faced off in a fair fight I would say that Caedus would beat her.
Jacen's alleged power is so inconsistent throughout the entire LOTF series, it's hard to tell. However, the second time Jaina fought Jacen, she was basically stalemating him while he pwned her in the force. She got a good (lucky?) hit in on his foot and maimed him, so he basically was fighting with 1 hand and 1 foot. At full strength Jaina could not defeat Jacen but her new mandalorian skills certainly did help. I do not see Jacen defeating Yoda though in any kind of a battle. While he may have more raw force power, Yoda's force mastery and techniques exceed his own.
No that is a good thing, Caedus was able to injure Luke so if Caedus is on the level of ROTS Yoda than LOTF Luke is not as godly as he use to be. (or some think)
wasn't luke caught in some kind of vong torture device? Caedus never actually hit luke with a saber did he? he caught him in a garrot, but luke got free of that on his own.
The fact that jacen almost lost to aurra sing, was DID lose to Jaina means he couldn't be on Yoda's level. Would u honestly believe that Yoda would lose to Jaina on any given sunday?
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Just because LOTF sucks ass, Luke is a stupid, overpowered douche bag, and Caedus is like a less cool (if it's possible) incarnation of Anakin, I'm giving this to Yoda. May Luke be beheaded by a Gungun with a speech problem (Jar-Jar, I'm counting on you).
On a more serious note, I believe that Yoda's demonstrated mastery and saber skills exceed Caedus' own, so he should probably defeat him.
I believe that in the ROTS novel yoda was described as the most powerful foe the darkside had ever seen or something along those lines and I just don't see caedus being more powerful than yoda in anything. Also consider that Yoda was a jedi master for 800 years and through deductive reasoning I'm positive that yoda knows more about the force than Caedus.
To be fair to Caedus, he was distracted by having to protect Allana. such as how Sing tried blow Allana out of her hiding place with a thermal detonator so Jacen had to stop the detonator which did allow sing to gain the upper hand over Jacen, then he wanted unleash force lightning on Sing when she was in no position to block it but Allana came out of her hiding spot at that moment and Jacen didn't want to expose her to the darkside by using force lightning which could have ended the duel. Then Allana kept distracting Jacen the rest of the duel and getting in the way.
In regards to the any given sunday clause, Maul lost Obiwan when he should have won, Luke shouldn't have been able to defeat Vader either. Plus Jaina didn't beat him in a straight up lightsaber duel either time the fought.
I'll get back to the luke duel later today.
Last edited by Elite Hunter on May 27th, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I didn't mean just to start an anti- LOTF thread, I just wanted to compare pre- and post- Republic force users. Jacen is powerful, and I think it is mostly poor writing that hurts his case. I simply can't stand that THE PROPHECY means nothing.
Jaina was sniping at him, Luke used a technique to make it look like he was there helping Jaina, which screwed up Caedus, than Jaina went and cut his arm off.
It was probably actually one of the best books in the lotf series. Still not very good though...
Sabers: Draw.Caedus, simply becuase he is a demonstrated beast with a blade, would in my mind realistically stand a fair chance against Yoda. But Yoda is also great as shown by his fights with Dooku and Sidious.
Force: The only offensive techniques that Yoda could use would be to either push J into the Rancour pit, reflect his lightning and chuck residents around. Jacen is strong enough to block all of those and then reply with some healthy Sith violence. I'd give them about equal power.
1. Yoda (yoda pwnz and is totally underrated)
2. Yoda (yoda pwnz and ist totally underrated)
3. Yoda (Yoda pwnz and is totally underrated)
Of course, if you want to go along with this, this means that Caedus is the most powerful force user in history if he wins, meaning this puts him above bane, yoda (no duh), ROTS sideous (maybe not de sids, yet), Mace, revan, and kun.
I am not seriously ready to go along with this. The most powerful are the ones Lucas centered his movies around, and Lucas meant for it to be this way, period.
May 26th, 2008 05:43 PM
FER TEA!!
