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Edge to Bill


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How so? Latest Atrocitus's origin has been a revelation on why he's the power level he's at.

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Energy ring vs energy absorbing hammer

I'd typically take Atrocitus vs most high heralds though


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When has Bill absorbed the energy Atrocitus has?

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When has a type of energy not been absorbed by Mjoinir or his clones


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Against a normal GL,you'd have a point, Pym.

Am interested in your take on the rage blood thing they got going on though....it's not just energy, right?


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Nope, not just energy. Even if it were, I doubt Bill could simply just absorb it.

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Atrocitus..he's above any high herald..

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I don't think Bill can absorb Atro's powers, but he *might* be able to shield against them.

My biggest question is whether or not Bill can put down Atro for any length of time..?


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I really understand why the red lantern ring's energy gets the benefit of the doubt that it wouldn't get absorbed. For all intents and purposes, most lantern energies are subject to one form of control or another. Even Dr Light was able to do as such.

Don't tell me it's because it comes from his mouth?


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When has Bill absorbed the energy Atrocitus has?


Seriously? When has a red lantern ever existed in Marvel?


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Depends on which Bill. If it's Storm Breaker he would probably be consumed with so much rage that the ring decides Bill is a more suitable Lantern than Atrocitus.

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Depends on which Bill. If it's Storm Breaker he would probably be consumed with so much rage that the ring decides Bill is a more suitable Lantern than Atrocitus.


lol, Atrocitus' rage has weakened recently, but prior he was a virtual embodiment of rage for billions of years. He'd son Bill in that department so bad Bill'd think his life up to that point was heaven.

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I really understand why the red lantern ring's energy gets the benefit of the doubt that it wouldn't get absorbed. For all intents and purposes, most lantern energies are subject to one form of control or another. Even Dr Light was able to do as such.

Don't tell me it's because it comes from his mouth?


Red's always been a sort of atypical spectrum. It really shares very little similarity with the other colors in how it's been portrayed (from a usual lack of construct ability to replacing the heart of the wearer and becoming its life force to being able to actually harm Black Lanterns to having some magical connection, etc etc.)

It's not at all unreasonable to treat it entirely differently with regard to energy manipulators, since it's been treated differently by writers since its inception.


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Red's always been a sort of atypical spectrum. It really shares very little similarity with the other colors in how it's been portrayed (from a usual lack of construct ability to replacing the heart of the wearer and becoming its life force to being able to actually harm Black Lanterns to having some magical connection, etc etc.)

It's not at all unreasonable to treat it entirely differently with regard to energy manipulators, since it's been treated differently by writers since its inception.


...That really doesn't prove anything except the red lantern being completely devoid of imagination. Energy is energy unless you can show a scan where a manipulator or absorber outright stated it's not possible to absorb it or manipulate it.

Now I'm not an expert on RL by any stretch but you guys need to stop making these random assumptions just because they produce their ring's effect like the vomited their guts out or something.


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I don't think Bill can absorb Atro's powers, but he *might* be able to shield against them.

My biggest question is whether or not Bill can put down Atro for any length of time..?
Do you have evidence that it can't be absorbed or are you just making an assumption? Until it is stated on panel that it can't be, then it is absurd to assume that Atrocitus is the sole exception to the rule.

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Alright before anyone points out it's blood with energy yes, i know that. Just keep in mind it's blood with Ren lantern energy.


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Its ab assumption that bill could. Unless proven he has dine something similar.

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Originally posted by Golgo13
Its ab assumption that bill could. Unless proven he has dine something similar.


Bills hammer absorbs or channel energy. That's fact.

You were inserting the idea bill couldn't absorb the energy in at's attacks. That's either an a assumption or claim.

Since the latter is an assumption, you need to prove it.

To me an energy attack laced with blood isn't too radical of a change to insinuate it shouldn't carry some of the attributes of its base lantern energies. So maybe this will then be one of those agree to disagree threads.

Askin for a red lantern in mu though....

hilarious... sorry


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