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If that was on the authors thing, that is just to get people interested, I would doubt is credence as canon. (The word is credence, right? Not sure for some reason x.x)
He was, at the time, the strongest Rule of Two Sith ever, though Sidious eventually surpassed him.
Sidious definitely killed him.
It's just back-of-book hype. I have a SF novel which hypes up trying to find the solution to a murder mystery, when the mystery played a big role in the *prior* novel and worrying about it happening was not a big thing in most of the sequel (Cyteen and Regenesis by CJ Cherryh, for reference). Yet from the back, you'd think the second was all about hunting down the killer.
Thats a little strange considering so posters here(which are banned) has constantly used the quotes from the back cover of the LOTF novels to argue Caedus power levels.
I think one such quote was him being even "greater than that of vader"
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
His ultimate plan is to become a Godlike omipotent being. He has done his full homework to accomplish this feat but suffers a set back after Lord Scourge betrays him and helps Hero of Tython in stopping him because the Emperor plans to exterminate the entire Galaxy in which Star Wars is taking place.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Feb 8th, 2013 at 08:50 PM
We are talking about raw pure command of Force energy.
There are only three "Sith" that surpass Plagueis in that sense, and they all did something he didn't to achieve that kind of power, Force Drain. These three Sith were DE Palpatine, Vitiate, and Darth Nihilus.
Plagueis most likely could have succeeded where Sidious failed, he probably could have over-powered Mace Windu and his lackeys. He could probably trash the likes of the Starkiller Clone or even Satele Shan. He was stronger than Sidious pre-Dark Empire era.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Plagueis & most powerful sith = nonsense. Plagueis was not the most powerful sith, nor was he the first to learn how to manipulate midiclorians into creating force-made-life. Ajunta Pall was the first to discover how to create life using midiclorians, which made his teachings viewed by the jedi as abominations, he was exiled and became the first dark lord of the sith. Plagueis is just a wannabe immortal & thief.
Last edited by Star Wars Logic on Feb 15th, 2013 at 02:23 PM
That would-be sith emporer had to use sith sorcery to destroy a planet, and attempted to do the same to a galaxy and failed. Darth Nihilus used the technique that was just as old as the sith themselfs, (Hunger) he used his hunger to devour entire planets wiping them clean of life both physically and in-the-force.
If Darth Nihilus had complete control over his hunger he would be deemed unstoppable, almost like Marka Ragnos when he was in his prime during his lifetime.
You same to be very caught up in the obscurities of the ancient Sith.
Ajunta Pall was one of the first Dark Jedi to go Dark Side, but he had not abilities in Midi-chlorian manipulation in comparison to Plagueis, who could stop death. And Ajunta Pall certainly never created life, ever.
That was a ritual that required the concentration of two extremely power Sith Lords, Plagueis and Sidious..the ritual was not designed to create life, but rather to thwart the light side, which retaliated in the conception of the potentially most powerful being in the mythos.
Palpatine mutilated the truth behind Anakin's conception, by claiming it was the Dark Side that created life, it was really the light side, the Living Force Qui-Gon Jinn studied. It was the only true path to immortality, as well as the creation of life, the Living Force can do anything it pleases. Dark Side Spirits are the same as Light Side Spirits, however, as the Dark Side is just a pervesion of the Living Force, with a malevolent will. It's just the Sith have a way of provoking the Living Force that the Jedi don't.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Last edited by KillaKassara on Feb 16th, 2013 at 08:18 AM
I think it would be hard to determine which Sith was the more powerful as of the Darth Plagueis novel. I don't think Sidious killing Plagueis means Sidious was more powerful, as there was never a fight, only deception.
__________________ "You must begin by gaining power over yourself; then another; then a group, an order, a world, a species, a group of species... finally, the galaxy itself."
- Darth Plagueis
"She may be small but she packs a punch and when shes in this mood...she goes for my danglers" - Oghren, Dragon Age
Other than the fact that his abilities in the Force exceeded his apprentice? Other than the fact that he could disentigrate opponents much like Vitiate? Yeah.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
He definitely created new life-forms, along with his allies.
Their group of 12, including Ajunta Pall, Muur and XoXaan, invented the Transfer Essence technique, and made the first Leviathans. They're also responsible for the Rakghoul plague (mostly Muur on that one).
Fact is that Sith Emperor emerged unscathed from an event that was similar in nature to that of Nihilus's attack on Katarr.
I guess that "immortality" changes the game; I don't recall a single event in the mythos in which Sith Emperor got hurt by a Force based attack.
So? Sith Sorcery can also be performed during combat situations. Sith Sorcery doesn't precludes an individual's command of the dark side; it represents it.
Very short-sighted assessment; he would have destroyed the Galaxy but was STOPPED. Try to note the difference.
Star Wars The Complete Encyclopedia regards this information as a legend, mind you. We only have Visas's perspective to consider for this information which is open to scrutiny. The source itself is titled "Unseen Unheard" which implies that the information contained in it is open to interpretation (leave audience guessing).
Maybe!
Marka Ragnos was certainly a master of the dark side but Vitiate surpassed him in power canonically as disclosed in this thread.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Feb 18th, 2013 at 02:26 AM
No Darth Nihilus was confirmed to be as powerful as he was stated not only by just Visas Marr (Who witnessed the destruction of her home planet first-hand), but Darth Traya. (Which is one of the most intellectual dark lords of the sith)
Vitiate NEVER surpassed Ragnos. Marka Ragnos is the most powerful Dark lord of the sith. He lived for 20,000 years after the formation of the old republic and became a Sith lord in his last years, he demonstrated that he could turn enemy on enemy with ease, while possessing tremendous strength both physically and in-the-force even though he had a aged body. And for as long as he ruled no one dared to oppose him not even the likes of Vitiate, in fact Trenbrae earned the name Vitiate after his training under Ragnos was complete, which explains how he broke the wills of 8,000 sith lords at once not too long after his training under ragnos was complete.
And another thing was Vitiate didn't live as long as Marka Ragnos, even though he supposedly became immortal, he passed away. (it was already confirmed on the plagueis novel that Vitiate passed away) Depending on how long one lives determines one's strength in the force and Vitiate's "immortality" pales in comparison, he only lived for 7,000 years and died in a coffen somewhere after he ran out of Sith lords to feed off of.
Tavion should have choosen to ressurect Vitiate since you think he was the most powerful, but she didn't. Luke Skywalker the seemingly most powerful jedi of all time said himself, that If Marka Ragnos was ever ressurected back at his full power and body restored, ALL J E D I EVERYWHERE will die.
There was a reason why it was said that Ragnos was the most powerful force user in Sith history and Jedi history.
Last edited by Star Wars Logic on Feb 18th, 2013 at 04:00 AM
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