I really don't see your point? Should we compare Jesus to other biblical prophets now? Didn't Jesus his own ancestor King David kill and murder people?
Besides Jesus is a prophet in the Quran so every muslim already recognizes the greatness of Jesus, they just don't think he's the son of god and he died in a different way and their believes are actually far more logical...
Besides some of those reasons are bullshit, Jesus did sin he did get angry... Jesus changed the word of god himself, and plenty of other things people with more time and or biblical knowledge could say in a few seconds...
When I first saw the thread title, I thought it was a good thread comparing how Jesus is no different to Muhammed and other prophets. Then I saw "by JesusIsAlive" so I knew it was going to be another thread full of lies and made up shit that only makes sense to JIA.
Is that why Jesus contradicted god on many things? When god said kill the sinners Jesus said don't kill.
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Jesus said be nice to everybody, those things don't sound nice. Jesus said let god judge, yet they are allowed to carry out the punishment without anybody knowing. Jesus preached one thing, the bible preaches something else.
Psalm Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.Ps. 38:8.Jesus condemned it and classified anger with the sin with murder.
Matthew 5:22… "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, (expression used by Jews of the first century AD to show open contempt for another) shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”
Psalm 37:8 God said, “Cease from anger and forsake wrath."
Under the Old Testament God the Father reveals to us the truth that He is justice and righteousness personified. God will not tolerate sin, He is of purer eyes than to behold sin. God the Father could only be appeased as it were by the shed blood of bulls and goats, but these were temporary, makeshift provisions for sin, that God permitted to atone for or cover over sin. But notice: God did not just forgive people of their sins just because He felt like it as such. If there is one thing that you must take to heart about God my friend that is this: God is passionate about justice, holiness, and righteousness. Everything that God does must flow through this sieve as it were. Some people are taken aback as it were at God as He is revealed in the Old Testament because He seems to be so harsh, cruel, and impatient. But those who hold this conception about God do so because they don't understand God's righteousness. A true Judge has zero tolerance for wrongdoing and God is Judge of all the earth, higher than any Supreme Court Justice. However, under the New Testament it seems as though God's anger against sin and/or sinners has been mollified. What happened? Let me break it down for you. God has always been lovingkind, merciful, gentle, longsuffering, etc., but He could not show that side of His nature fully because He had not yet sent His Son Jesus to pay for our sins. God had to be strict, relatively inflexible, and rigid in terms of how He dealt with sinners and sin. Judges are supposed to be meticulous, and hold every sin accountable, judge it against a standard of righteousness then impose sentence accordingly. That is what God did. The Bible states that the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. The law of Moses represents a standard of righteousness and judgment. Notice that grace (i.e. undeserved mercy) and truth came through Jesus Christ. As sinners by nature and will we all deserve the harsh judgment of God. But through Jesus Christ God can once again extend His love and mercy to us. God is righteous and just, this is Who He is not just what He exemplifies, and as a result He must deal with sin swiftly and with righteous indignation. God hates sin, because it defies Who He is, and nothing and no one is greater than God, not even sin. God so loved the world (see God is Love too) that He gave....People don't realize just How much God the Father sacrificed and gave up when He offered His only Begotten Son as payment for our sins.
Jesus came to earth to die for the sins of the world. But in the course of doing this Jesus did things to reveal the true nature of the Father. To you Fishy it appears that Jesus is contradicting His Father, but in reality Jesus is showing us another side of the Father. On the one hand the Father God is righteously indignant against sin and sinners, but that is just one side of God, and it is based on His righteousness. But God is also Love. This is the side of the Father that Jesus expresses to the world. We see Jesus having compassion on the multitudes that He ministered to and healing them, comforting them, feeding them, delivering them from demon possession, and even raising them from the dead. Jesus said that if we have seen Him then we have seen the Father. How Jesus? In Jesus' actions. Everything that Jesus said and did was a reflection of His Father's actions. So, Fishy, there is no contradiction, just a change in God's dealings with humanity (not a change in God, but a change in His interactions with us) thanks to Jesus. God wants the world to know that He can be a Father to everyone now that sin is no longer an issue or barrier between Him and us. The sin wall is non-existent as far as God not holding our sins against us. Our sins can be washed away, blotted out, and removed as far as the east is from the west if we simply ask Him to through Jesus. But all of God's love for the world is accessible only through Jesus Christ. If we reject God's love as revealed and made available through Jesus Christ then we have no excuse for suffering God's wrath against sin.
Yes i'm not really going to read all of that, because i've seen your previous posts. Those sites you listed are still wrong though and like xyz posted anger is a sin, so Jesus did sin... Perhaps you should reply to those things instead of just isolating the one thing and spouting out a lot of propoganda...
Those sites lied and apparently don't even know the bible well, so really why should we listen to them?
I don't think he's going to answer that and/or read it. But I'm happy that you posted that incase an unsuspecting christian thinks JIA is making any sense.
Anger is not a sin for the second time. Oh, and I thought that it was circular reasoning, wrong, and all of those other things that you say for me to use the Bible to support my statements? So then why did you just do it? Although you are still wrong in your usage. No, anger is not a sin.
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You don't get the difference, do you? If he is talking about what the Bible said he can use the Bible as source (only source), if he is talking about what the bible says being fact he can't.....
Anger is not a sin, it is how you react while angry that makes anger a sin. If I am angry for a good cause and I make sure not to violate God's Word, then my anger is not a sin. Anger becomes a sin if I violate God's Word during or in the course of my anger. The Bible states,
Ephesians 4:26 “Be angry, and do not sin”: do not let the sun go down on your wrath,
The Bible--God's Word--instructs us on how to govern our anger. The Word says be angry (like I said anger is not a sin) and sin not. What this means is that it is possible for a person to be angry and not sin. It is okay to be angry just as long as you don't sin. For example, I am angered every time someone on this forum accuses me of wrongdoing, calls me some derogatory name, or misquotes what I say and/or just outright spreads lies about me. But I do not sin in my state of being angry. If I treated you xyz the way that you treat me, then I would be guilty of sinning. If I repaid evil for evil I would be guilty of being angry and sinning. But I do not repay evil for evil. You call me names, accuse me of lying, and you do all sorts of things to get under my skin. But I do not lash out, or call you by any other name except xyz. So, be angry but just don't sin this is what the Bible states.
Jesus never sinned, if He had then He would not be qualified to be the Savior of the world.
XYZ, notice in your post where you quoted what Jesus said,
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
Notice that Jesus says that whoever is angry with his brother without cause. Jesus did not say whoever is angry with his brother and then leave it at that, He said who ever is angry with his brother without cause. So anger by, of, and in itself is not a sin, it is what you do while you are angry that is a sin. Anger is not a sin.
I decided to click the first link. Oh, how wrong it is.
Now anyone with a sensible mind will know that this is not only lying, but doing so to desperately make Jesus look like a good person, make Jesus and the Bible to be true, and worse of all, shunning Islam (which last time I checked is a form of racism).
Have a nice day.
What about the quotes in that post? What about the 7 deadly sins? They clearly state Anger to be sinful.
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