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Bane takes this one.
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You don't think Malak, in his most well-prepared form, should offer significant challenge to Bane and/or have a chance to defeat him?
People mistakenly evaluate Malak from his poor character development in the comics but he had significantly grown in power and experience since then. As of KoTOR, Malak became one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy.
Malak defeated Bastilla Shan (officially a powerful Jedi) and forced Carth and Revan to flee from Leviathan. The Strike Team had earlier cut a swath through the defenses of the cruiser and killed its chief.
Seems very impressive to me.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jan 9th, 2015 at 02:54 PM
That doesn't necessarily put him on par with Bane or any other established Sith Lord for that matter. Any Sith Lord worth their salt would snap Carth's neck with a negligent gesture.
I can guarantee you Dmb and Neph will mention all of the "powerful" opponents Bane has beaten or demolished.
Of-course, Carth is defenseless against Force powers but he was among the most competent officers of the Republic. The fact that he didn't die during the clash against Malak bodes well for his skills rather then the Sith Lord lacking in power.
Malak also have command of advanced Sith powers such as Force Drain and Force Lightning. He may have lot of skills holistically. More importantly, he had been successfully leading a Sith Empire which is really telling about his competence and power in general. It is safe to assert that Bane haven't been tested on level of Malak.
Furthermore, any Jedi who managed to approach Malak's position on Star Forge, ended up dead barring Revan.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jan 9th, 2015 at 03:09 PM
Debatable. I doubt you'd be willing to extend the same consideration towards Jango Fett or Pre Vizsla or a Forceless warrior from some other era. I'm not sure why I should be impressed.
Alas for EU apologists, Force lightning is a fairly pedestrian Force power that no-name Sith and even dark Jedi can conjure at will. Force drain, I grant you, is more esoteric but Bane is sufficiently skilled with that technique as well. I still see no reason to favor Malak necessarily in this regard.
And again, I doubt you'd be willing to extend this same consideration to someone like Darth Krayt, who also commanded a Sith empire and should be regarded with similar reverence by you. Bane was the mightiest of a battle-hardened Sith empire as well. You're asking for concessions to be made when you yourself seem to be unwilling to make them.
All this proves is that Malak is powerful and that he's capable of cutting down no-name Jedi, neither of which I've denied. But power is relative. Bane is powerful as well, until you put him next to someone like Sidious.
I'm still willing to be convinced, but I think you'll need to strengthen your argument a bit more.
Meh. Sidious is better than Bane on all fronts. He's stronger, faster, more skilled, smarter, more successful, more important, and quite probably a more talented lover.
All of this has been consistently demonstrated throughout the source material. Bane's good, don't get me wrong. But Sidious is the culmination of Bane's order and is much better.
Hmm well let's see. Bane is a middle aged broseph in his prime whilst Sidious is an old ass pickle. Bane deflecting rain is the fastest speed feat in the mythos because of that one guys fan calc. Bane defeated Kas'im who knows all lightsaber fighting styles while Sidious lost to Windu who only knows one. Bane is obviously smarter since he thought of the RoT while Sidious just ran with the idea like a sheep. Bane is more important because he's the Sith'ari while Sidious is just a powerful Force user. Although yes I can agree that the slippery old codger may be better in the bedroom.
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These individuals do not fight Jedi and/or Sith in direct manner, they rely on impressive gadgets and firepower to contend with Force-user opponents.
I personally believe that even a buffed-up and heavily armed individual shouldn't pose a threat to a well-trained Force-user, not a Sith Lord at least, but this is Star Wars and logic is not its strong forte.
So we are left to hold Carth in the same regard as we do with Jango and other incredibly competent combatants amongst the normal folk.
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And you think that these normal combatants are impressive? Explore Grand Champion of SWTOR for a change. This guy pulled off shit that many Jedi won't. Heck, he might even take Count Dooku to the curb, and I am not kidding.
I don't recall any no-name Sith who can conjure Force Lightning at will. And even if many Sith became practitioners of this Force power, they won't be as proficient in its use as some of the greatest of the Sith are expected to be.
The ruling Dark Lord of the Sith is a master of the Dark Side of the Force. (Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide)
Yes, Bane have command of these powers as well. But he utilized Force Drain (Death Field variant) only once by drawing on the power of a nexus. Their is no other demonstration that I am aware of and it remains to be seen if Bane can use Force Drain in normal situations.
I hold Krayt in very high regard actually. He is among the greatest Sith to have ever existed much like Malak.
As for the Brotherhood, it really lacked in competence in comparison to ancients. When Bane began to learn about the ancients, he unsurprisingly began to notice the shortcomings of the Brotherhood and it doesn't surprises me that he had potential to be mightier then any Brotherhood Sith after acquiring ancient knowledge of the dark arts from Revan's holocron. He became an outlier in his era.
Malak have shown more then capable of defeating no-name Jedi (reminder: Bastilla Shan). Not just the Jedi, a powerful Sith Empire would test him in ways unlike even the Jedi since their is lot of internal strife in a Sith Empire.
Don't get me wrong, Bane have impressive showings and is one of the best explored Lords of the mythos. However, most of his battles have circumstances attached to them if carefully observed. The only powerful opponent he managed to defeat is Kas'im and this too after collapsing the structure on the latter. It was a very tough battle though.
Bane's next powerful opponent was Zannah and we know how that fight ended.
Bane benefits from ample exploration in the literature while Malak mostly sits on the logic train.
Anyways, I am not going to insist that (only) Malak takes this. I am keeping an open mind. But I do believe that Malak managed to thrive in more challenging environment then Bane.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jan 9th, 2015 at 04:04 PM
Legend's TOR bias is cringe worthy. The irony in his comments make me guffaw regularly. He can twist shit to make TOR characters look more impressive and then turn around and shit on characters from other eras with similar showings.
Kol Skywalker shitting on a mountain of sith and stormtroopers not being as impressive as Darach's one fight scene because "Kol was in a comic book so it's hard to tell how good he actually is" is, quite frankly, lolworthy.
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