earlier leaks were roundly dismissed as BS and anonymous claimed that those particular leaks were false and not of their making. to be fair, they stated the whole time that the names would be revealed today, november 5. whatever the outcome, this should make for some good theater.
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So it seems when they aren't harassing 13 yr. old girls Anonymous at times might actually perform morally praiseworthy acts.
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To be fair I hate what Anonymous is doing here. Most of the people in that group who will be releasing these names are the same ones that despise the idea of the government being able to snoop on their private lives through electronic media.
As stupid as KKK members are for keeping on their narrative of racial hatred they aren't breaking any laws for their stances. Now if they had committed a crime this would be different but that is not the case. Let them remain behind their masks. The right to privacy is important.
while i agree that the kkk has the right to assemble and speak, i'm content with the idea of them being stripped of their anonymity.
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This maybe true but it doesn't make exposing those people some justified act.
Well yeah it is an easy thing to say they deserve whatever they get but that just isn't fair. They are protected by the same rights privileges we are.
I mean I doubt Anonymous would be happy if a large portion of their members got their names dropped. I believe if you want to keep your sense of privacy you should respect others' rights to the same privacy even if they are racial bigots.
Like I said about the only time I am okay with this is if it exposing crime or corruption.
@newjack: however, the kkk has historically also been a terrorist organization, not just a group of idealists. their power to get away with murder lies in a their anonymity. thats why i dont think it's a violation of civil rights in this case.
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But we are in a topic about Anonymous promising to mess with people on a specific date.
Though note the 13 yr. old I mentioned was a troll, but they took it to a level that was...extreme. Or should I say it was a 13 yr. old more or less acting like all 13 yr. olds it seems.
But wait..this logic would apply to the group Anonymous as well. Last I checked these guys don't sign their real names.
Keep in mind I have no problem with them exposing KKK members and I get why they'd not want to make their identities known, but if you're going to call people nothing for hiding, etc. well...
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True but simply knowing someone is in the KKK does not mean you can automatically pin attacks on them.
You still need evidence and other things like that. I still say it is a violation of civil rights. Just because you don't like the group doesn't mean the people in it are not entitled to the same laws and protections we all are. In fact that is their thinking and we are supposed to be better than that.
Yeah see the biggest problem is, despite the reputation of Anonymous..nobody will have any way to really verify 100% of the names are indeed true members of the KKK.
Here is the thing, I would applaud revealing the true members of the KKK. On the other hand I don't trust Anonymous 100%, I don't care how good they are.
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State Sen. Stephen Martin was recently asked to weigh in on controversial comments by GOP Lieutenant Governor candidate E.W. Jackson that denounced the Ku Klux Klan, Planned Parenthood and the Democratic Party in the same breath.
In defending Jackson, Martin sparked a controversy of his own.
"The fact is that both the KKK and Planned Parenthood are creations of the Democratic Party,"
Martin, R-Chesterfield, said in a May 23 interview with the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
We decided to check whether the KKK really was spawned by the Democratic Party. We’ll post another Truth-O-Meter that examines Martin’s contention Planned Parenthood was created by Democrats.
When we asked Martin for the facts behind his KKK statement, he said he had misspoken.
"What I should have said is it was started by Democrats, not by the Democratic party," the senator said. "It wasn’t an official subdivision of the party, obviously … It was definitely founded by Democrats."
Soon after our conversation, Martin released a statement saying he "regretted the carelessness and inaccuracy" of his comments regarding the KKK, calling his statement an "impromptu" response to questions about Jackson’s comments that Planned Parenthood has been more lethal to blacks than the KKK.
PolitiFact Virginia respects when people tell us they erred, but we still feel obliged to complete our fact checks of their statements. So we asked several historians about the origins of the KKK.
Details about the hate group’s founding are murky -- including the exact year it began. Some cite 1865 as its start, others say it was 1867. Historians generally agree it was founded by a handful of Confederate veterans in Pulaski, Tenn. as a social fraternity and it quickly changed into a violent group that terrorized newly empowered black and white Republicans in the South.
J. Michael Martinez, the author of a 2007 book "Carpetbaggers, Calvary and the KKK," told us many angry Southern whites during the 1860s and 1870s were Democrats and a smaller number of them joined the KKK.
So there is some historic link between Democrats and the KKK. But Martinez said it is misleading to say that the hate group was started by the Democratic Party because it was more of a grassroots creation.
There’s another point to consider.
"To say that the Ku Klux Klan was started by the Democratic Party -- it’s not the Democratic party of today," Martinez said. "(From the) 1930s until today, you think of the Democratic Party being considered the party of the disenfranchised."
Other historians had similar takes.
Carole Emberton, an associate professor of history at the University at Buffalo, wrote in an email that various "Klans" that sprung up around the South acted as a "strong arm" for many local Democratic politicians during Reconstruction. Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest -- believed to be the KKK’s first Grand Dragon -- even spoke at the 1868 Democratic National Convention, said Emberton, author of "Beyond Redemption: Race, Violence and the American South after the Civil War."
But Emberton added a major caveat:
"The party lines of the 1860s/1870s are not the party lines of today," she wrote to us. "Although the names stayed the same, the platforms of the two parties reversed each other in the mid-20th century, due in large part to white ‘Dixiecrats’ flight out of the Democratic Party and into the Republican Party after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. By then, the Democratic Party had become the party of ‘reform,’ supporting a variety of ‘liberal’ causes, including civil rights, women’s rights, etc. whereas this had been the banner of the Republican Party in the nineteenth century."
Elaine Frantz Parsons, an associate professor at Duquesne University in Pittsburgh said that most post-Civil War southern whites were Democrats who were unhappy with Republican policies on Reconstruction while large numbers of newly-freed slaves were Republicans.
"So it is not surprising that the Reconstruction era Klan would have been very largely Democrats attacking Republicans," Parsons said in an e-mail. "But this simply does not map well at all onto the party structure we know today. Among other things, the Republicans (during Reconstruction) were condemned as the party of big government and as wanting to centralize authority on the federal level."
Our ruling
Martin said the KKK was created by the Democratic Party. He acknowledged he was wrong.
Historians say the KKK consisted of a group of Southern whites after the Civil War who were Democrats. But there’s no evidence the KKK was created by their political party.
[b]It should also be noted that the anti-black Democratic Party of the 1860s and 1870s bears no similarity to the party of today.
Recognizing that Martin has expressed regret for his statement. We rate his claim False.
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they are not pinning attacks (as of yet). simply identifying members of a long-established organization most noted for murdering minorities under a veil of anonymity. but i suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. but i'll pose this question: if this was an american branch of ISIS, would you feel that they have the right to their anonymity? (not intended to call you out, just reframing the scenario for you to consider)
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