Lightsabers: Ulic was an equall of Kun, Luke with virtually minimal training was fighting evenly with a guy who was better than the likes of Ahsoka, Galen Marek/Starkiller in his prime, and a master of all 7 lightsaber forms. Ulic can give him a fight but Luke is a much more instinctive duelist and his feat of beating Vader is something Ulic couldn't hope to achieve at his best
Force: No idea
All out: Ulic was much more a duelist than an offensive force user, so it probably ends in an excellent fight that favors Luke in my opinion
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Yeah but all those arguments about Vader holding back, not wanting to kill his son, weakened etc. can be made
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Absolutely not. Every one of those arguments can be made in equal capacity for Luke. Luke actually has the stronger case since he actually refuses to press his advantages and go on the attack even when he has Vader on the back foot. And we know he set out to redeem Vader, not kill him, which is supported by numerous sourcebooks. If anything, he held back at least as much as Vader (supposedly) did.
Also, Vader was willing to kill Luke, as the RotJ novel states and as has been shown on the forums time and time again.
You'll know when he's angry he calls people Freshmouth, that's about a 7 on his anger scale.
This is him going into Hulk mode
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You mean that would've made me have not much of an argument at all. I don't know what it is with the forums softening up these days, but how reaffirming your stance on something can be misconstrued as an act of anger is beyond me.
Things can be shown a ton of times when they're older than everyone who posts them. Of course then we'd have to factor in maybe Vader's character concept has changed in the last 30+ years.
Luke is less skilled than Ulic but has more raw power. I'd go with Ulic, I think he could capitalise on Luke's inexperience and rough training better than Vader could.
At best you can argue that Vader was hindered, but as I said, that same argument can be made just as easily for Luke. It's not a valid way of discrediting the reinforced fact that Luke rivaled Vader in their showdown aboard the Death Star II.
Sources from the later half of those last 30 years depict Luke matching Vader as a swordsman on the account of sheer lightsaber prowess, and that hasn't changed, so there's little point trying to dodge it.
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I'm talking about stamina and strngth, something Ulic was a match for Kun in, before Ulic gained immense power in the following years. These guys were essentially the same type of Jedi before Ulic turned and vastly outgrew his Jedi incarnation.
Ulic floored Cay and Tott with a Force wave and floored Nomi with lightning, as well as tanked Basilisk war droid weaponry without even straining. All before he gained immense power.
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Luke obviously wasn't hindered when he defeated Vader, so I don't think you can make that argument at all.
Because when you're arguing Vader is trying to turn Luke to pulp, and even Luke doesn't believe that, then you need to kind of support it. Sure, that novel from the before times says it, and then pretty much every source after disagrees with it.
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