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Jaggarath
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Sam Witwer on Darth Maul vs Darth Vader; Maul's status among Force-users


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Oh thank god, the new canon isn't gonna be pulling some survivors from the Jedi Purge that pop up later after the Empire. Or at least I hope not, given Sam's words here, that the Jedi are fracking dead.

That annoyed the hell out of me in the old EU and made both Obi-Wan's and Yoda's commentary meaningless.

But anyway, that said, interesting find about the Maul V Vader thing.


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Witwer really emphasizes the gap between trained Force-users like Tano and Maul, and then half-trained Force-users or children of the Force like Kanan and Ezra. That's relieving to say the least, because I was genuinely worried about Kanan or Ezra potentially besting Maul in a fair fight, but that doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. Also, in Canon, the gap between Palpatine and Vader honestly does not seem even half as large as it was in the Legends-verse.


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Abit however, I am kinda wondering though. Given the comments and timeframe, just how is one suppose to gauge Vader in his ability, if he isn't fighting challenging Force Users?

Because as noted, it seems like Maul is the only legitimate challenge by comparison to the rest in the galaxy at this point in time, until Luke finally comes along.

I guess they could go the route, of Vader fighting superhumans that aren't Force Users, yet extremely deadly and above your regular guy or droids as those are plentiful and have been shown in both Canon and Legends.

However even this only goes so far.


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Going by Legends TPM Maul>ANH Vader. I can't watch the video tho.


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It said he was out killing the Jedi at this point in time, and we have no confirmation of the fates of Barriss Offee, Eeth Koth, or Quinlan Vos- so who knows what canon is planning or if they died during the Purge/Order 66. I would hope Maul would find someone to train at this point, its so obvious he wants to share his teachings and it kind of sucks that he's unable too lol.


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Vader's going to rape Maul when/if they fight tbh, lol


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Also, in Canon, the gap between Palpatine and Vader honestly does not seem even half as large as it was in the Legends-verse.




Hell yeah.. Canon loves it some Vader wank

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Vader's a shoo-in for most powerful Force User of all time, like he rightfully deserves.

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All hail the embodiment of Anakin's furnace heart going critical - Machine Vader

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Abit however, I am kinda wondering though. Given the comments and timeframe, just how is one suppose to gauge Vader in his ability, if he isn't fighting challenging Force Users?

Because as noted, it seems like Maul is the only legitimate challenge by comparison to the rest in the galaxy at this point in time, until Luke finally comes along.

I guess they could go the route, of Vader fighting superhumans that aren't Force Users, yet extremely deadly and above your regular guy or droids as those are plentiful and have been shown in both Canon and Legends.

However even this only goes so far.
Vader's seemingly ability to trounce Maul and decisively overcome Ahsoka, both top-tier duelists, should give you an impression of how capable a combatant Vader is. He's evidently leaps and bounds above your average Jedi Council member, and a league above the likes of Dooku and perhaps even Windu.


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Vader's seemingly ability to trounce Maul and decisively overcome Ahsoka, both top-tier duelists, should give you an impression of how capable a combatant Vader is. He's evidently leaps and bounds above your average Jedi Council member, and a league above the likes of Dooku and perhaps even Windu.


I guess, but just 2 fights? /shrug


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Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, Maul. All the best PT guys still around (sans Yoda) are inferior to Vader.

That plus confirmation Vader > ROTS Anakin means anyone Anakin beat, Vader would beat (sans the Son and Daughter).

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Vader's seemingly ability to trounce Maul and decisively overcome Ahsoka, both top-tier duelists, should give you an impression of how capable a combatant Vader is. He's evidently leaps and bounds above your average Jedi Council member, and a league above the likes of Dooku and perhaps even Windu.


The gap between Maul and Vader doesn't seem that big, Ahsoka was putting up a great fight and we know that Maul is her superior.

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Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, Maul. All the best PT guys still around (sans Yoda) are inferior to Vader.

That plus confirmation Vader > ROTS Anakin means anyone Anakin beat, Vader would beat (sans the Son and Daughter).


Vader is more powerful then Anakin, you can even debate if it's in raw power or mastery, not necessarely a better, or equal, lightsaber duelist.

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Vader is more powerful then Anakin, you can even debate if it's in raw power or mastery, not necessarely a better, or equal, lightsaber duelist.



Doesn't matter when it comes to an all out. No ones mentioned Saber Only fights. Just who Vader can beat in a fight.

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Doesn't matter when it comes to an all out. No ones mentioned Saber Only fights. Just who Vader can beat in a fight.


Of course lightsaber skill is important in a fight...

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Good job Vader still has great Saber Skillz. Limited a little by the suit, but also boosted by increase of power in the Force.

So even IF he is < Anakin in that department it likely won't be by much. Where as his Beastly unparalleled (so far in Canon) TK puts him well above Anakin in an all out.

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The gap between Maul and Vader doesn't seem that big, Ahsoka was putting up a great fight and we know that Maul is her superior.
A great effort yes, but she remained outclassed.

This being a significant improvement from Legends!Vader where him vs Maul could go either way.


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