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The two together are too much. Nam-Ek threw a train a half mile. Hulk has a healing factor to help, but kryptonians are sooo hard to hurt. And there is two of them. The only move that could make a significant difference would be hawk breaking off their protective masks if this was held in the same way that Superman fought the two, right after they first arrived at earth. If they have any time to adapt it all, he is a goner for sure.
Hulk would smash faora as soon as he gets hands on her. Her face plate would be gone and she'd be knocked out in sensory overload.
NamEk is a real threat, but apart from throwing a train ENGINE , he didn't have any impressive feats. Hulk bringing down a leviathan by pure strength seemed more impressive to me (I'm not talking about the punch)
Hulk would eventually defeat NamEk
HulkBuster showing doesn't count because he was being mindraped firstly. Secondly, it was done clearly when he wasn't enraged anymore. He was looking around at all the damaged he had caused with a sad look on his face. Clearly indicating he wasn't enraged anymore... sees some soldiers and cops pointing guns at him.. seems like he's about to get annoyed and BAM. That showing is almost a non factor here.
The Thor showing is more of a factor, but again, Thor didn't beat him. Hulk was clearly the stronger of the two, and that had one of his best reaction feats showing he can deal with speed i.e. catching the hammer.
Put it this way, if he can exploits their mask, to the point where Zod could barely stand and they had to drag him away. Or when Faora got KO'd by a mere missile. Yeah, Hulk would have no issue KOing them if he got a hold of um imo
Hulkbuster had Hulk on the ropes the entire fight. The fight does count. If you are going to say that whole doesn't count cause he was blood lusted then we don't have anything else to talk about cause now we are ignoring showings to favor your pick. But I can get a mod ruling if need to to say a movie showing counts based on someone trying to toss it out.
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Last edited by Time-Immemorial on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 09:07 PM
You're not understanding what I'm saying. Him being mindraped invalidates the entire showing. If he was being mindraped, that means by proxy, he wasn't in control of his actions. Hulk, even when enraged has shown he is capable of thinking out there. After all, he is one of he smartest men on the planet as Banner. Granted, some of that goes out the door in his Hulk state, but he is still thinking out there to varying degrees. So when you're mindraped, and you're not in control of your thoughts or actions that ISN'T what a normal Hulk would fight like. That is what invalidates the showing. To say nothing of the fact that he had IM beat... ripped his armor to complete shreds... only through tech was IM not destroyed as he had spare parts flown in mid fight. Make no mistake though, he would've gotten owned. It was a good showing for IM and you can take a little away from that showing In Re: Hulk, but really, not all that much
BTW try and get whatever ruling you want. I'll win. Him being mindraped automatically isn't applicable to a non mindraped Hulk. Nobody is saying it didn't happen. But what is clear, is that it doesn't count for a non mindraped Hulk. Sure though, if you want to use a mindraped Hulk in a fight... it will count.
ScarletWitch wasn't actively controlling the Hulk though, she just put visions in his head (like the others) and those visions made him uncontrollably mad. Which being mad, we all know adds to Hulk's strength/power.
Could be argued that she effectively gave Hulk a power-boost, considering his powers are fueled/amped by rage/stress.
Which again Bud, is a mindraped. A normal Hulk doesn't have visions and thoughts going on in his head telling him to do something or pulling him in one direction to do something. He's free to act as he sees fit or destroy whatever he sees fit.
Further, when IM did KO Hulk he CLEARLY wasn't in that state anymore. He was looking like a Sad Panda on the ground and looking at all the damage he caused. He was unquestionably not enraged anymore. When he was, IM never came close to KOing him.
The point here is, you can't use a Hulk being mindraped as analogous to a non mindraped Hulk. That simply can never work no matter how little one thinks the mindrape was
Last edited by KuRuPT Thanosi on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 09:26 PM
Agreed and I don't think I implied to the contrary, Hulk lost those visions and wasn't raging anymore when his ass got knocked the **** out. But he was still Hulk.
My point was just that when IM fought Hulk, he was a Hulk at one of his most powerful levels for 99.99% of the fight, similar when Thor fought Hulk and he was buttmad due to the scepter's influence.
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