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Ahsoka Tano vs Qui-Gon Jinn
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nfactor1995
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Ahsoka Tano vs Qui-Gon Jinn

Prime TCW Ahsoka. TPM Qui-Gon. All-out fight, to the death, on neutral ground.

Who wins and why?

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Rockydonovang
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Definitely closer than the majority of people will admit to.

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Qui-Gon, not that close.


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Ahsoka was a "force to be reckoned with" and held her own vs a far greater swordsmen, so it's close

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Ahsoka was a "force to be reckoned with" and held her own vs a far greater swordsmen, so it's close


A force to be reckoned with... *shudders in fear* ... against who? Battle droids?

Grievous isn't a better swordsman than Qui-Gon, lmfao - at least not as of that episode. Maybe when he got the new upgrades in the Lost Missions though.


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Grevious outdueled tcw Kenobi who's outdueld qui-gon's superior in maul.

Scaling works, reverse scaling doesn't.

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Grievous never outdueled Kenobi - ever, really. He's got the better of him via kicking and trickery, but never straight up, that I can recall.


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Bypassing someone's guard with physical strikes isn't fair game?

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Not how Grievous does it most of the time, which is when he's in a bladelock or when the other is distracted and/or turned around, no. erm


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Doing it in a bladelock is totally fair. Kenobi wasn't cheapshotted in season 7 or season 5

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It's not an indication of who's a better duelist, lmfao. erm

Season 5 was the definition of a cheapshot - same when Grievous kicked Maul and forced him to flee.

Season 7 was still a cheapshot, but an impressive one. I'm open to the possibility the upgraded Grievous > Qui-Gon. thumb up


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Physicals absolutely factor in how good of a duelist you are. And grveious did the same thing to Ahsoka

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Physicals definitely do, but that doesn't mean every physical move has to do with dueling. In this particular case, it doesn't really, especially considering Grievous never killed any of them successfully and all of the fights he's done it would have continued onward with just a minor pause and a few bruises if his armies had not successfully overrun his opponent's forces (Maul, Kenobi) or it was time to leave anyway (Ahsoka).


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uh what? Grevious could have killed Kenobi in season 7 and Kenobi felt too injured to fight in season 5

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Season 7 is specifically different given a different and unfamiliar strategy, I believe, plus new armor. Besides, I already agreed Grievous might be able to beat Jinn as of Season 7, so I'm not sure why you keep referencing it.

For season 5, no he wasn't. We see him running fine shortly thereafter. The reason he retreated was that the enemy was closing in on all sides and if he stayed longer he would have died - probably not by Grievous, but by the invading army. If he still could have won, the fight would have continued.


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What upgrades are you referencing for season 7?

As for season 5, their 1 v 1 itself was on the assumption the surrounding armies wouldn't shoot. Given we see Kneobi clutching his chest, I'd say he was wounded by that kick

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Regardless even matching tcw Kenobi would be sufficient grounds fo rhim to be much better than Qui-Gon

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Grievous' armor is changed / upgraded to his ROTS-built in Season 7. Thus, I consider there to be two different Grievous': TCW until Season 7, and then Season 7 to Grievous' death in ROTS. This armor distinction helps explain his poor performances in early TCW as well, given his abilities are almost completely dependent on his armor and cybernetics.

I'm not following. First off, Kenobi obviously cares about the clones and the information stored within the ship. Even if your assumption is true, he's not going to continue fighting as the droids march throughout the ship, kill the clones, and obtain important information if Kenobi can help stop it. Secondly, if they did continue to fight, Kenobi would be likely surrounded by droids, so if he would have beat Grievous, Grievous would have likely ordered them to open fire like he did vs Ventress, and I'm sure Kenobi recognized that.


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Qui-Gon, not that close.

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Jinn, not a mismatch though.
And TCW Grievous bested S2 Kenobi. Even S4 Kenobi got rekt by an out of practice Maul who hadn't improved since TPM.


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