So for the past few years we've been seeing a steady decline in Marvel's All-stars as they're replaced in one way or another by new characters that are supposedly fitting a political agenda. Whether that come in the form of a race change, sex change, younger demographic, etc.
Off the top of my head we've had replacements of
Nova
Thor
Wolverine
Captain America
Iron Man
Hulk
Ms. Marvel
Spiderman
Feel free to talk about any that I might have looked over.
Now the point of the thread is that these new characters haven't had the best of receptions because they've been force fed into the mainstream comics over some very well loved characters, but for one reason or another it gets brushed under the rug as just anti progressive ranting. Which is made clear through the comics: (please log in to view the image)
So now this point of view is associated with a villains rant.
Or more recently:
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So any sentiment against what's being portrayed is now coming out of the mouth of villains.
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Tl;DR: The point of the thread is to express how you feel about the changes now that they've been out there for some time. But for the sake of humoring the writers, let's limit the critiques to the quality of the story.
Have these new characters been doing a good job in their roles story-wise (from your point of view) regardless of how they got there?
and also to cater to the political correct elephant in the room:
What is your opinion on mainstream characters being replaced by obvious attempts at diversification in comic books?
It's just more consistently ridiculous in current times because Marvel seems to have let the SJW's and Feminazis have free reign of the whole damn company...
Meh it's massively overblown on the internet imo, largely by people who haven't read the stories and just look at out of context scans.
Yeah there's some stuff, like Waid and Bendis trying really hard to look progressive but doing it with very little subtlety, but it's really nowhere near as egregious as people make it out to be.
Hell, you look at Spencer's Cap run and it gets massive hate from people on both sides of the political spectrum, which is a fairly good indication it's somewhat in the centre. I mean the Red Skull talking like that is seen as a bad thing as he's basically an immortal nazi using the same language the Nazi's used in real life, just to talk about different people. It's hardly a condemnation of all conservative viewpoints on immigration or whatnot.
I mean even those scans Phil posted, a bunch of them are basically nothing. The sons of the serpent were like that in literally their first ever appearance in the 60s. Faiza Hussain was a character Cornell invented in Cap Britain MI3 like a decade ago. That Mockingbird run, while it did have feminist themes and poked fun at a bunch of stuff, it was actually really solid and funny.
tldr: It's hardly as bad as people make it out to be, just don't read the stuff you deem to be too SJWey or whatever you think it is. Most of the main heroes are still around and will regain the focus again at some point, as comics cycle again.
My two cents at least.
Edit: Also Captain Marvel's new costume is waaay better than her old one, largely because it was Mckelvie who designed it and that man knows how to draw.
It's hit or miss, mostly. Although I fail to see how having the Red Skull spouting actual Nazi rhetoric is anything new. If you do some research you'll see Hitler said the same kinds of things.
I'll be honest, if it gets kids and girls reading comics (rather than mostly males 20-60) . Comics are for kids after all and shouldn't girls like comics and it gets them thinking correctly, questioning prejudice and traditional gender roles etc... Brilliant.
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Jul 19th, 2017 11:27 PM
some of the stuff in this thread is gold!
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t402312.html
