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Murican Free Speech

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I hate free speech zones. Especially on college campuses.

Then again we have more free speech than any other country so...yeah.


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Then again we have more free speech than any other country so...yeah. [/B]

I take it you can give us a cross country comparison?

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I take it you can give us a cross country comparison?


Interesting, are you going to argue we don't have more free speech than other countries? I'm honestly not interested in hunting down examples right now, first I'd ask you which country you think has more free speech than us. We can continue from there once you answer.


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Stealing Fly's schtick here:


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The legality that permits the government to restrict open expression stems from a statute passed in 1971. The law, Section 1752 of the US Code, forbids people from entering restricted government areas or impeding official government business. The legislation was passed presumably to prevent large-scale protests from occurring at the Democratic and Republican National Conventions of 1972 after marches outside the previous Democratic National Convention disrupted the event.



Thanks a lot, Democrats.


Bush may have started the "Free Speech Zones", but it looks like the DNC helped lay the groundwork to let it happen.


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Interesting, are you going to argue we don't have more free speech than other countries? .

I'm not arguing anything. You're the one who made a claim. You're the one with the burden of proof. And untill you meet that burden of proof, I'm going to ask ou to fufill it.

Please back up your claim that America has more free speech than every single other country on the planet. If you can't back that claim up, then don't make it.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'm not arguing anything. You're the one who made a claim. You're the one with the burden of proof. And untill you meet that burden of proof, I'm going to ask ou to fufill it.

Please back up your claim that America has more free speech than every single other country on the planet. If you can't back that claim up, then don't make it.


I wanna see if it's worth trying to prove. Do you believe any other country grants citizens more free speech rights than the USA? Yes or no, and if yes, name the country.

It's not worth it to me if you're ignorant enough to say some other country has more free speech, sorry bro.


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Originally posted by cdtm
Stealing Fly's schtick here:





Thanks a lot, Democrats.


Bush may have started the "Free Speech Zones", but it looks like the DNC helped lay the groundwork to let it happen.

I think you mean both the dnc and rnc laid the groundwork.

So since you want to make this a party judgement, that means:
-> both parties set a precedent
-> the Republican party's administration took the precedent further.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I think you mean both the dnc and rnc laid the groundwork.

So since you want to make this a party judgement, that means:
-> both parties set a precedent
-> the Republican party's administration took the precedent further.


Definitely.

The truth of it is, I tend to hold Democrats to a much higher standard then Republicans.


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I wanna see if it's worth trying to prove. Do you believe any other country grants citizens more free speech rights than the USA? Yes or no, and if yes, name the country.

It's not worth it to me if you're ignorant enough to say some other country has more free speech, sorry bro.


This isn't just open to Rocky, I call upon anyone who wants to argue another country grants more free speech rights. Any takers? Do not be shy.


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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I take it you can give us a cross country comparison?


I mean...yes. It's readily available information:


https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index-new


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This isn't just open to Rocky, I call upon anyone who wants to argue another country grants more free speech rights. Any takers? Do not be shy.


That's not how it works, sporto. You made the absolute claim of: "Then again we have more free speech than any other country so...yeah." which started this.

It's for you to prove that after Rocky asked you to support it.

Personally I don't know, maybe you're correct, but I'm also not making the claim as fact.

edit: Never mind, DDM bailed you out and did the footwork, you should thank him again.


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edit: Never mind, DDM bailed you out and did the footwork, you should thank him again.


I didn't bail him out. We are notorious for not having the best freedom of speech, in enforcement.

Constitutionally, we are probably the best. But we play it loose with those rules and free speech is oppressed all the time in the US. Just not as bad as Canada or Australia, for example.


Still among the most free speech zones in the world, yes, but not the best.


What I posted somewhat supports Surts' point. But it also proves him directly wrong about being the bestest free speech haven - not true.


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Bailed him out on doing the foot work. Not proved him correct.


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That's not how it works, sporto. You made the absolute claim of: "Then again we have more free speech than any other country so...yeah." which started this.

It's for you to prove that after Rocky asked you to support it.

Personally I don't know, maybe you're correct, but I'm also not making the claim as fact.

edit: Never mind, DDM bailed you out and did the footwork, you should thank him again.


Yeah: no. That's not how it works anymore. Too many times have I done the digging on here only for it to just to be dismissed or spun. So if I decide I want to know someone's belief on a topic before I get into it with them? That is just what I'll do. If you don't like that or you do not find it fair? Irrelevant.

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I didn't bail him out. We are notorious for not having the best freedom of speech, in enforcement.

Constitutionally, we are probably the best. But we play it loose with those rules and free speech is oppressed all the time in the US. Just not as bad as Canada or Australia, for example.


Still among the most free speech zones in the world, yes, but not the best.


What I posted somewhat supports Surts' point. But it also proves him directly wrong about being the bestest free speech haven - not true.


Oh enforcement? Sure, but I was thinking more about our constitution, etc.


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Can't wait for Article 13 to shut down the EU Internet.

That will quieten things up nicely.


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Originally posted by dadudemon
I mean...yes. It's readily available information:


https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index-new
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canada, the uk, and Norway all have higher freedom ratings. TBF though, ti's a marginal gap.

You could prolly make arguments for either one

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Oh enforcement? Sure, but I was thinking more about our constitution, etc.


Constitutionally, the American Civil Rights Act is a violation of the first amendment and anything like it. There's lots of laws and rulings that violates the first amendment rights in the US. That's part of why we don't have true freedom of speech in the US.

The fact the cake bake homophobe's case even went anywhere before being dismissed is proof of lack of power the first amendment should have in the US.


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Free SPeech Zones, the confiscation of property and forced relocation of those who smoke weed, private prisions(again imprisonment is a restriction of someone's freedom), bail system, presidents threatining the press with legal power, the goverment paying for pro military propoganda and patriotism, the unjustified restrictions of rights for ex criminals, the restrictions regarding third party candidates, higher minimum ages for youth, and so much more are a suffecient to make the case that america isn't the most free planet. You can likely also make the case it is, but it's certanly up for discussion even though the dmb's and surts get triggered when people challenge their make believe fantasies of the world.

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