it is sad that LOTR relies soley on it's visual effects. If you take away that. you have NOTHING. Well actually you have a butchard adaptation of a great story.
Of course im just whining about the fact that LOTR could have been so so so much more than it is, What it could have been, Would have went down in history books, but of course every movie could have been better ounce its made. All we have is eye candy and some slight entertainment for us TRUE rpg players. LOTR was actually a large dissapointment on this side of RPG fans. because it relied soley on a life long fan base, and golden eye candy glistend with the greed of holly wood.
I know there are an over abundance of you LOTR fans out there, but you have to face the facts here. Read the books. The stories were destroyed. They went through the story and nit picked what they could use for a budget blockbuster mixed with eye candy, that would be rememberd. It is a briallnt ploy by hollywood to get your money, and take the ranks as a life long franchise.
These movies are so off target from the books, the only plus is they did capture the essence of the trilogy, this is no matter how dark things get faith, nobility, strength, love and everything else that is pure always triumphs over all. fate is also very rare in the movie, its hinted to sometimes with froto and of course aragon, but fate, faith,and love was the main message of the books. however the movies main message is eye candy over substance .
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Hmm well Rage I can consider myself to be a true Role Player
and I think the movie was very good, you have to make a big difference between the movie and the book, you can almost never create the same character depth and if you should succeed you'd have to make it a very long movie, even longer than it already is.
and they had to simplify the plot, I would have loved to see it follow the books more exact, for the mainstream audience.
and last but not least LOTR does not have TOO MUCH eye-candy
sure they use a lot of CGI and stuff but they use it in right amounts, doing as much as possible without CGI. And without a bit of computer help they would have never been able to recreate that epic athmosphere that surrounds the LOTR settings.
and last but not least I don't see what Role Play has to do with LOTR except that most medieval fantasy RPG's are based on LOTR
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Hey dude, here's some food for thought, if all The Lord of the Rings had was a bunch of effects, than The Fellowship of the Ring wouldn't have been nominated for best picture at the Academy awards (not to mention winning the best picture award at the British Oscars) and especially The Tower Towers wouldn't have been nominated, and the films wouldn't be as critically acclaimed as they are.
You can like or dislike the films all you want, but at least make sure your comments are actually accurate, you're quite a bit off about the transition from book to film, they changed only what was needed to be changed, they added what needed to be, they left out what needed to be. And yet they managed to keep the heart of Tolkien's tale intact.
And that's all I have to say about this.
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How about this; you're flaming wrong ragesRemorse. LOTR is the high budget film that relies the LEAST on effects to sell itself! The dialogue is there, the drama, the directing. The effects are needed to sell the story, but unlike the latest Sw-films the effects take the backseat to the story, so I'd say you're totally off on this, mate.
UMMMM NO i read the books I read them, before they were even being thought of being made into movies. This is why i know LOTR is a disgrace. They totally bi-passed the dark atmosphere the books created. The movies settled on a middle ground of fantastical security.
There were very rare momments in the books when you felt that things were going for the better . Tolkiens brlliance understood this. He only gave you security, when hope and faith was all but a gleaming memory. . In the movies there is always a sense of security. You know everything is going to be ok. It might get bad but it will end on a soft pillow of reasurrment. This is bull crap. it destroys the atmosphere that of the LOTR. It was always so dark, and dreary. you knew this mission was a near impossibility.
The book only piled more and more challenges ontop of you to reasurre the impoosible feeling. In the books They traveld and traveld, you always felt as if they were running out of time, due to all the traveling. Then near the end of the second book it looked as if all was going to fall. It was man against evil. Every one had abandend man. It was up to only mans sheer will of survival, and pride that they held the defenses. The elves never came back to halp the humans, this was just another stunt to give you false security that never existed. There WAS no need to include the elves returning to help the humans. The only rational explanition is to give you more security, and a good feeling that things are gonna get better. In the book you never knew if the defensess would hold, it was sheer suspense, anything could happen. they pulled it off. ALL ALONE. this was the crowning masterpiece to the trilogy. that man can over come any impossiblity when we work together in heart. You never felt true escurity untill the return of the king.
And if you rely on academy awards on what movies are good, then you know nothing about movies. Academy awards are judged by a bunch of old people who love hollywood.
and thats all i have to say about that on why LOTR sucked
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i never felt threatend. there was always somthing to reassure you that things would be okay. i think alot of people mix up suspense with a threatning atmosphere. which is why most people bought this peice of failed poo.
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Also, you kind of answer your own point to be honest. How would you know what it will feel like for someone who HASN'T read the books and sits in the cinema watching the film? I will answer for you, you don't
So you obviously KNOW that everything is going to be fine because you have read the damn book. Pointless post.
Oh, if you think LOTR failed, then I would take a look at how much money it has made in the box office, dvd sales, statues etc - I wont even go into how much the book sales have risen since the movie. Not that it didn't sell well before it, because it did...VERY well
i know, and i pointed that fact out that i was just whining about this movie. If i had never read the books priopr to seeing the movie. i am sure i would have enjoyed them on some level. But i read the book , and was expecting greatness along the lines of the book. instead all i got was a Giant cutscene of a roleplaying video game, with some fantastical glitter sprinkled all over it
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well ofcoarse ur gonna feel everything is gonna b alrite and the end of the movie since u know watts gonna transpire. *IDIOT*. i must admit i read da books after i saw FOTR but my friends had advised me to read dem prior to da movies....(im not a real fan of fantasy literature). i agree dat sum elements of da book dat were cut should have been in the movies (like all da singing, da humans with-standing against all odds in unity) but dey still manage to create a true masterpiece.
but in any means, would i b wrong in suggesting u wont b in da cinemas like da rest of us when ROTK gives us n eye full in december?
im dun surprised you could can of understood that gooded literaturature there with your so impressive skillz of being abled to speakked in such a good gramatical way --El Toro De Brah
Maybe your on to somthin there buddy. I think you struck gold with your reply. NO, im not going to feel secure just because i know the outcome. Look at the way the characters were changed. Aragon became more of a Great and noble protecter than he truly was. He aquired this with time in the books. You always felt safe with the fellowship near. The way it was expressed in the book, was so different. It was so dark. Even though the fellowship was the best of the best, all through the journey you never felt safe. there was always somthing threatning you. Believe me im able, like alot of human beings to change my perspective"s. I did this many times throught LOTR, and there was never any point were i truly felt like things werent going to work out. At the end of the first movie hope was restored, hope was not restored in the books, it was a question.
But i dun may be wronged here. This is just my dumbed opinioned, so dont bust a *** over it aight. but you is right dey did have dem selve some good singin in dat movie diddnt dey ?
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Until someone invents something to look into what your mind sees when you read books, your vision of the movie will always be bleek unless you learn to take a friggin' chill pill and enjoy it for what other peoples visions make it.
Well I read the books several times before the movie was even talked about and I totally disagree with you. There had to be made changes, but PJ made the movies as perfect as they could humanly possibly be.
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