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Question 39 steps to stop and find terriosts?-How far will this go

I was meaning to post this a couple of weeks ago when it was published. The article was in the broadsheet Scotland on Sunday, and I believe can still be found on its website although I don't have a link



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The 39 steps to convincing the US I am not an international
terrorist

LEE RANDALL


THERE'S trouble brewing between the increasingly Orwellian country
that is my native land and the EU, where I now reside. In an effort
to prevent anything like the September 11 disaster recurring, the US
Department of Homeland Security wants to implement a new Computer
Assisted Passenger Prescreening System (CAPPS II) that will identify
potential terrorists before they board an aeroplane.

Sounds reasonable, you think? Well, it would mean a lot more than X-
raying your handbag, removing your shoes, surrendering your tweezers
and letting someone pass a metal detector beneath your oxters.

Potential passengers would provide airlines with their full name,
address, telephone number and date of birth, plus information about
their itinerary.

So far, so run of the mill, and except for the birthday, it's mostly
stuff they know already via the booking process. What's troubling
those of us with a healthy regard for civil liberties is that CAPPS
II would automatically feed those stats into a web of databases to
learn more about you.

Once `analysed', these facts would earn you one of three labels:
green (not a terrorist), yellow (maybe a terrorist) or red
(definitely a terrorist and would you mind slipping on these lovely
silver bracelets?).

Putting the enormous potential for error to one side, this is the
stuff of nightmares. An entire life revealed through your internet
visits, credit card purchases, traffic violations and God knows what
else.

No machine is subtle enough to realise that those five copies of the
SAS Survival Guide were stocking-stuffers for your book group -
it'll presume you've started a terrorist cell. Do you really need 10
cans of Nitromors to strip a pine door, or are you planning an acid
attack on your MSP? And why exactly did you request a kosher meal on
your last transatlantic flight?

Get the picture? The EU does. ''''''''

When the Americans told Fritz Bolkestein, EU Commissioner
responsible for data protection, that they wanted all airlines to
gather and report 39 pieces of information about everyone booking a
ticket, he replied that only 19 could be considered under EU
legislation. The US is standing fast, and there's a fascinating
fight brewing.





What are your thoughts on this? The war on terrorism is certainly becoming more and more serious by the day, and the determination of the west to eradicate terrorists is commendable. But are we going too far?

Is it right to break our own laws to locate and detain terrorists? Are innocents that are wrongly assigned the label 'terrorist' or 'potential terrorist' acceptable losses?


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I dont give a damnh with the goverment knowing everything about me, if they make it mandatory to give your finger prints to the police on lets say your 18th birthday I wouldn't mind, they can get everything, fingerprints, DNA everything they bloody well want


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Exactly, who cares? It's not like I'm going to go and kill anyone, it shouldn't matter what we give them. As long as they don't clone me, I'm fine with that. I also think the govt should search anything they feel the need to, screw search warrants, that just complicates things and lets people get away with shit.


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I might care, but a) it's not exactly like I'm going to go on a killing spree and b) it's not like knowing my fingerprints or DNA is invading my privacy. Give it to someone who knows how to use it for the general good, not to some lowlife like me who wouldn't distinguish the difference between a red or white blood cell on a microscope. Let the profesionals handle all the complicated stuff.


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yes...but there may come a day when one cannot purchase goods...or get a job unless every bit of information about you is somewhere in a computer...then will come a day when a persons value is based on some set of standard protocol that the gov'ts will impose in order to for society to be assimilated in an ordered form...

and for those who do not wished to be 'marked' or 'tagged' or 'dna filed' will be useless or considered a subversive...

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I think the whole war on terror is bullshit. As Michael Moore put it, "you can't win a war against a noun." I personally don't want the government to know everything about my personal life, even though I'm not a terrorist. What they do now is plenty... There haven't been any attacks via plane since 9/11, meaning that they've either been successful so far, or that the terrorists aren't dumb enough to try to do it again. Probably a combination of both.

And, as the article pointed out, the potential for error is huge... The sites you visit on the internet could indicate that you're a terrorists, or they could mean nothing at all.


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however the war on terror has become too specific...as there are different forms of terrorism...

school bullies are terrorists...cops with attitudes are terrorists...governments that impose unfair tax laws are...and so on...

even i fear some of the mods on here...j/k stick out tongue

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