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Well now for all those Harry/Ginny shippers out here, we got our own corner! Here is where we can talk about what we think and later present them to the Shipper Thread, and yes, this is like the H/Hr Corner, I give the credit of the idea to Pumpkinpie for the idea, but I couldn't say anything but corner because a corner is already there and such and how rude would I have been to make a H/G Dorm or something?! Well, fairs fair. Here we can talk about H/G. Enjoy Harry/Ginny Shippers. ^.^
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Here is Harry/Ginny stuff from the Shipper thread that I am bringing over here just in case you haven't been able to read them.
Interesting stuff to think about for H/G Shippers.
Ginny is often associated with fire because of her red hair and spunkiness. Harry has a lightening bolt on his head. Both have to do with fire, heat, that sort of thing. Put the two words together, and you have firebolt. What's A Firebolt? A broom. Not just any broom, but the fastest, best, near unbeatable broom. Put Harry and Ginny togehter, and you have an unbeatable pair.
Another Weasley
For predictions for book 6, I think it is very interesting that out of all the positions Ginny could have played on the Quidditch team, she took Harry's place. This does two things at once. It shows that they are equally talented (ie partners), it will provide them more time to spend together on the field, assuming she stays which I think she will. I think Rowling has set it up perfectly for Ginny to have "held" Harry's position for him on the Quidditch team and then she will step aside next year, to another position, so Harry can have his old position back. I don't think Harry could be anything but touched by that gesture.
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More more more moving from the shippers thread.
Ginny Weasley,
Why?
by Cressida (<<<<<<< This person wrote it. HER!)
In order to speculate on and understand this character we must begin as in all things, at the beginning. The fecund Weasley family have more than enough children to run the whole gamut of human emotions and personalities, therefore why bother even to create this last born enigma and to make her a girl if there were not some valid reason for her existence? These books are Harry’s tale and ergo this character must have some role to play opposite him in the plot.
Having created Ginny Weasley, Rowling then goes to the trouble of bringing her to King’s Cross and deliberately and perhaps tantalisingly showing the reader a glimpse of her. That most poignant and evocative pseudo lover’s scene on the platform where the little red-haired girl runs after the train is perhaps the most telling foreshadowing for the fate of this character. Stations have often served as trysting places as in Brief Encounter and there are echoes perhaps of Rowling’s own parents too. These books are in part a rite of passage for Harry Potter and also in part murder mystery. In the style of the classics of that genre, we are then perhaps being shown our important protagonists at the start of their journey both physically and metaphorically.
Then what? A more skilful and effective smoke screening of this character could scarcely have been achieved. Rowling could easily allow Ginny, who is close in age to the trio, simply join them and have them play Julian, Dick, George and Anne at Kirrin Cottage alias The Burrow but she does not submit to this well-worn path; perhaps because it would lead us to jump to conclusions too early in the game. Instead, Ginny is not included nor yet left to languish but our eyes are deliberately led away from her. In fact, we know that Rowling despises the Blytonesque endless summer holiday world where youngest Anne served copious Ginger Beer and was only ever complimented on her wifely attributes. It would be unlikely therefore, that she would doom one of her own characters to domestic compliancy and servitude although this is often the role that fan fiction in particular confers upon Ginny. This lemming like rush to cast her as the empty vessel for a minor character’s seed serves as testament to how efficiently our eyes are being diverted from the true character and her role.
Throughout the early books, all the adjectives refer to her as small and little, despite the fact that the rest of the Weasleys appear to be normally sized. In fact, this is a subtle way of allowing her to appear younger than she really is, add to this Molly’s over protectiveness of her last born baby and Ginny is effectively shunted to the sidelines behind Hermione’s apparently stronger character. The crush makes the unwary assume that she is gentle and sweet and pines over Harry; this is despite the fact that crushes are quite normal for young girls and we know that both Hermione and even Molly are susceptible to the dubious charms of Gilderoy Lockhart. That embarrassing fascination effectively and conveniently sidelines Ginny, makes her blush, and takes away her powers of conversation. Convenient in a way as it alters the reader’s perception of this character. Had we seen her taking an active role with her true personality then even the blind would have made the leap of faith and realised her significance.
Ginny is at one point possessed by Voldemort and then rescued by Harry but we are never allowed to consider the consequences of this action. Even though she must now share a life saving bond with the hero as well as a brush with the Dark Lord, it is never referred to except obliquely and out of context; this by Dumbledore in The Prisoner of Azkaban when considering Peter Pettigrew’s escape.
The clues to the real Ginny are all there in books one to four if we choose to read the signs aright. Ron refers to her as normally talkative, she pushes him away when he tries to comfort her after The Chamber, her gleeful mischief on spilling the beans on Percy’s assignation with Penelope, her suppressed smile when she comforts her brother after his refusal by Fleur Delacoeur, all reveal brief glimpses of the real Ginny. She has six big brothers to contend with therefore she will have learned defences, she is friend and confidante to cool and clever Hermione therefore she will be intelligent and certainly no fan girl, in Flourish and Blotts she stands up to Draco Malfoy. Most of all she is a Weasley and a Gryffindor therefore she will be brave, kind and fun. All this is subtext though and for four books, Rowling is content to allow Ginny to hide in the wings behind a perceived veneer of docile shyness.
We see Ginny at the start and then we are subsequently and possibly deliberately misled as to her personality and attitude with Harry. With Cho, Parvati, Hermione and now Luna, Rowling is happy to show them as they really are and to allow Harry to react to them but with Ginny we are constantly diverted away from her and Harry is never given leisure to consider her as there is always something else going on.
In fact, Ginny shares more with Harry than any other character. A close shave with death and an escape from Voldemort but perhaps more importantly they have both shared the Dark Lord’s thoughts; Ginny exchanged confidences though the diary and in his words, he poured himself back into her, Harry has his scar connection leading him to appear to think with Voldemort’s mind. In addition to being able to quell the worst excesses of Harry’s black moods in Order of the Phoenix, Ginny is able to jump in quickly and take the words out of Harry’s mouth. This level of perception is a true lover’s trick and as they have both unwontedly shared Voldemort’s innermost thoughts – could it perhaps point to Legilimency at some later stage?
In Order of the Phoenix, to the shock of the shallow reader Ginny literally bursts on the scene with a mane of red hair. Although referred to as the youngest, the ‘small’ tag is fading and she is revealed in her true colours with a lively sharp-witted personality, both Quidditch loving and talented at Defence Against the Dark Arts with a unique ability to silence an angry Harry. However, we are now led to believe that she has ‘given up on Harry’ and that she is playing the field. Other concerns occupy Harry including a brief disastrous love affair, new characters are introduced upon the scene and multiple love triangles are mooted. Neville loves Ginny loves Dean, Harry loves Luna who loves Ron, Ron loves Hermione loves Krum; there is much scope for relationship intrigue in book six to keep the reader guessing. Carefully again we are never allowed to see Harry thinking of Ginny or considering her. We are encouraged also to believe in several statements that Ginny is a glib liar but what lies beneath?
In Order of the Phoenix Harry spends a great deal of time in Hermione’s presence but this we are allowed to see as it doesn’t really matter as there is no ulterior motive involved. There is no attempt at concealment or qualification as she is and will remain ever so simply his friend. Hermione shows that she is able to offer impartial advice and they can work as a team but their personalities do not match as a couple and at times Hermione is unable to deal with Harry’s darker moments effectively. There is much talk of romance for Harry and pairings and indeed in many cases couplings abound. In fact, it is probably more appropriate at this stage to draw the names from a hat as Rowling is laying a convoluted trail.
Bear in mind if you will that what we are seeing here is what the author wants us to see and almost certainly, we will not see what is significant until the dying breaths of the series. She is very good at red herrings so we need to look at what is not on the surface very carefully, in fact we must look at what she carefully leads our eyes away from. We must also realise that there is really only one pairing that counts and that is Harry’s; the books are his tale so in essence all else is superfluous.
JK actively promoted Cho but it seems that she is merely a stalking horse. It is hard to believe that anyone could think that she would have been anymore than a blind alley. It allows for light relief, establishes that Harry is growing up and has feelings for girls but she is patently unsuitable in personality although she does allow Harry to view the impact of Cedric’s death through someone else’s eyes, and allows Rowling to exploit Harry’s teenage insecurities.
Luna is new on the scene and her contribution is not yet obvious unless it is to have a crush on Ron and to provide comic relief but bear in mind that these are Harry’s books and she must have a role to play opposite him. We are allowed to see the two of them together and allowed to see Harry gaining relief and comfort from conversation with her because again it is not crucial to the plot.
The real important area I can only reiterate is the one in which we are not allowed trespass.
Book six will show more on the partnership front certainly as the age of the characters calls for it but in the final analysis there is only one connection that matters and that may be the crux of the whole plot.
Saint or sinner, saviour or betrayer, damned or redeemed Ginny was created for a reason and has a pivotal role to play.
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Moving this one will take up two post.
Ginny Gave Up
on Harry?
by Xray (<<<< This person wrote it. HIM!)
I have seen so often that people use this nonsense as proof that Ginny and Harry are not canon because Ginny gave up on Harry in OotP.
(I posted this on a debate thread today so if you're seeing it for the second time, my apologies.)
They frequently point to this quote from OotP:
"Ginny used to fancy Harry, but she gave up on him months ago. Not that she doesn't like you, of course," she added kindly to Harry while she examined a long black and gold quill.
I think Rowling put this in simply to show why Ginny can now talk comfortably around Harry. It was an open conflict; now it's closed. However it still leaves the door wide open for a H/G relationship to develop. Rowling masterfully worded it properly… gave up on him… Ginny gave up hoping that he'd take interest in her and now she has the ability to talk comfortably with Harry. Ahh, it opens the door to sooo many possibilities.
However, many H/Hr shippers, and some R/Hr shippers even, believe that any H/G possibility was killed off with that one sentences. To those people, I say Preposterous!. Why would Jo spend so much time and effort developing a Harry/Ginny relationship over the course of 4 books just to kill it off in one measly sentence?
Here is some of the H/G development I see throughout the books… way too much to be resolved with one line.
Sorcerer's Stone (Philosopher's Stone)
We see Ginny as Harry arrives at the train station and again when he's disembarking from the train at the end… why? Initially, she's very outgoing and forceful, but this is not immediately evident.
Chamber of Secrets
(CoS, Scholastic Press, Ch. 3: The Burrow, p43)
At that moment there was a diversion in the form of a small, redheaded figure in a long nightdress, who appeared in the kitchen, gave a small squeal, and ran out again.
"Ginny," said Ron in an undertone to Harry. "My sister. She's been talking about you all summer."
(p50)
On the third landing, a door stood ajar. Harry just caught sight of a pair of bright brown eyes staring at him before it closed with a snap.
"Ginny," said Ron. "You don't know how weird it is for her to be this shy. She never shuts up normally -"
(p53)
He and Ron went down to breakfast to find Mr. and Mrs. Weasley and Ginny already sitting at the kitchen table. The moment she saw Harry, Ginny accidentally knocked her porridge bowl to the floor with a loud clatter. Ginny seemed very prone to knocking things over whenever Harry entered a room. She dived under the table to retrieve the bowl and emerged with her face glowing like the setting sun. Pretending he hadn't noticed this, Harry sat down and took the toast Mrs. Weasley offered him.
(p55)
"Oh, are you starting at Hogwarts this year?" Harry asked Ginny.
She nodded, blushing to the roots of her flaming hair, and put her elbow in the butter dish. Fortunately no one saw this except Harry
(CoS, Scholastic Press, Ch. 4: At Flourish and Blotts, p76)
"Famous Harry Potter," said Malfoy. "Can't even go into a bookshop without making the front page."
"Leave him alone, he didn't want all that!" said Ginny. It was the first time she had spoken in front of Harry. She was glaring at Malfoy.
"Potter, you've got yourself a girlfriend!" drawled Malfoy. Ginny went scarlet as Ron and Hermione fought their way over, both clutching stacks of Lockhart's books.
Notice Ginny gets a bit forceful here defending Harry. What's that? Girlfriend? Foreshadowing perhaps? I think so.
(CoS, Scholastic Press, Ch 13: The Very Secret Diary, p302)
Hot all over at the thought of being given a valentine in front of a line of first years, which happened to include Ginny Weasley, Harry tried to escape.
( p304)
Malfoy was looking furious, and as Ginny passed him to enter her classroom, he yelled spitefully after her, "I don't think Potter liked your valentine much!"
Ginny covered her face with her hands and ran into class.
(CoS, Scholastic Press, Ch. 17: The Heir of Slytherin, p392)
"The diary," said Riddle. "My diary. Little Ginny's been writing in it for months and months, telling me all her pitiful worries and woes - how her brothers tease her, how she had to come to school with secondhand robes and books, how" -Riddle's eyes glinted "how she didn't think famous, good, great Harry Potter would ever like her…."
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
(PoA, Scholastic Press, Ch. 4: The Leaky Cauldron, p62)
Ginny, who had always been very taken with Harry, seemed even more heartily embarrassed than usual when she saw him, perhaps because he had saved her life during their previous year and muttered "hello" without looking at him.
(PoA, Scholastic Press, Ch. 5: The Dementor, p71)
"Ah, there's Penelope!" said Percy, smoothing his hair and going Pink again. Ginny caught Harry's eye, and they both turned away to hide their laughter as Percy strode over to a girl with long, curly hair, walking with his chest thrown out so that she couldn't miss his shiny badge. stood back to let him on.
(PoA, Scholastic Press, Ch. 10: The Marauder's Map, p183)
He had a stream of visitors, all intent on cheering him up. Hagrid sent him a bunch of earwiggy flowers that looked like yellow cabbages, and Ginny Weasley, blushing furiously, turned up with a get-well card she had made herself
That last one is quite interesting. Ginny seldom appears in PoA. We see her on page 86 shaking like mad after the dementors appeared on the train. The only one affected worse was Harry. After that we don't see her until page 160 where they discover the portrait of the Fat Lady slashed. Then she makes this appearance on page 183 in PoA. After that she disappears for the rest of the book. We don't see her again until GoF. It seems as if JKR is going out of her way to put Ginny in the books and keep up the Ginny—>Harry story line. She's certainly keeping her and Harry apart. My guess is so that they don't develop a sibling like relationship similar to what has developed between Harry and Hermione. I can still see the grimace on Jo Rowlings face in when Couric suggested it. Harry and Hermione? Eewwwwwwww!
Goblet of Fire
(GoF, Scholastic Press, Ch. 5, Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes, p54)
Then two girls appeared in the kitchen doorway behind Mrs. Weasley. One, with very bushy brown hair and rather large front teeth, was Harry's and Ron's friend, Hermione Granger. The other, who was small and red-haired, was Ron's younger sister, Ginny. Both of them smiled at Harry, who grinned back, which made Ginny go scarlet — she had been very taken with Harry ever since his first visit to the Burrow.
Isn't that interesting. JKR repeats what she said in PoA… that Ginny was always very taken with Harry. Not crush, but taken. Incidentally we're also reminded of Hermione's not so attractive features… bushy brown hair and rather large front teeth.
(GoF, Scholastic Press, Ch. 22: The Unexpected Task, p399)
"I asked [Cho] to go with me just now," Harry said dully, "and she told me."
Ginny had suddenly stopped smiling.
(p401)
"Right," said Ron, who looked extremely put out, "this is getting stupid. Ginny, you can go with Harry, and I'll just -"
"I can't," said Ginny, and she went scarlet too. "I'm going with - with Neville. He asked me when Hermione said no, and I thought… well…. I'm not going to be able to go otherwise, I'm not in fourth year." She looked extremely miserable. "I think I'll go and have dinner," she said, and she got up and walked off to the portrait hole, her head bowed. Poor Ginny. She looked extremely miserable for missing an opportunity to go with Harry to the ball. OMG I can just feel her pain. Yet, as bad as she wants to go, we see some character development… she's true to her word. She doesn't blow off Neville… she agreed to go with him. Sigh. Poor Ginny. She must really feel miserable.
Order of the Phoenix
In OotP Ginny's character grows tremendously. She overcomes her crush and is able to face Harry on a more peer-to-peer level.
(OotP, Scholastic Press, Ch. 4: Number Twelve, Grimmauld Place, p69)
"Oh, hello, Harry!" said Ron's younger sister, Ginny, brightly. "I thought I heard your voice."
Notice how Rowling seems to force in the word brightly.
(Ch. 9: The Woes of Mrs. Weasley, p170)
[Tonks'] hair was tomato red and waist-length today; she looked like Ginny's older sister.
Tonks' description (Ch. 3: The Advance Guard, p47):
She looked the youngest there; she had a pale heart-shaped face, dark twinkling eyes, and short spiky hair that was a violent shade of violet.
(Ch. 23: Christmas on the Closed Ward, p509)
"Well, hello there!" he said. "I expect you'd like my autograph, would you?"
"Hasn't changed much, has he?" Harry muttered to Ginny, who grinned.
(Ch. 38: The Second War Begins, p848)
Ginny caught Harry's eye and looked away quickly, grinning.
At the very end of OotP, Ron hints toward H/G for book 6:
(OotP, Scholastic Press, Ch. 38: The Second War Begins, p866, Ron speaking to Ginny about her now ex-bf, Michael Corner)
"Michael - but -" said Ron, craning around in his seat to stare at her. "But you were going out with him!"
"Not any more," said Ginny resolutely. "He didn't like Gryffindor beating Ravenclaw at Quidditch, and got really sulky, so I ditched him and he ran off to comfort Cho instead." She scratched her nose absently with the end of her quill, turned The Quibbler upsidedown and began marking her answers. Ron looked highly delighted.
"Well, I always thought he was a bit of an idiot," he said, prodding his queen forwards towards Harry's quivering castle. "Good for you. Just choose someone - better - next time."
He cast Harry an oddly furtive look as he said it.
(GOD ******... It is too long to put in all one post.... I post the rest....)
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(This is the rest of that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
There is far too much development of the Ginny/Harry story line to dump it all off with one line like H/Hr would have you believe. To top it off, Jo Rowling recently let us know that Ginny is one of her favorite characters (that while she's writing book 6 mind you). We also know that Ginny is a very forceful character (from the World Book Chat in March). And if you want more evidence, look at this TIME interview:
"And what about Ginny [Ron's younger sister]? Poor Ginny, languishing in love for Harry, and he's merrily asking out other girls right under her nose! But that's just a boy thing."
But even more remarkable than that quote is the context in which it was provided. In that interview, Rowling is talking about the trio and their relationships. Strictly Harry, Ron, and Hermione. Then, out of the blue, she throws in that bit about Ginny. Go read the entire interview. She wasn't asked a question about Ginny. It was all Harry, Ron, Hermione. Rowling just blurted it out. "And what about Ginny..."
So please, when those clowns say H/G is not canon, H/G is over because of that one simple line, tell them, "Oh go on! Pull the other one!" (heh from Monty Python)
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Remember, Harry saved Ginny's life, and as Dumbledore pointed out, that causes a bond between two wizards. Also, Harry was the Boy Who Lived, Ginny was the Girl Who Survived.
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Phoe and I are currently looking into creating a sub-forum so that each ship and character can have there own thread! We'll re-open when everything's together. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
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