Exar was taunting and mocking her during one of their sparring sessions, and she got pissed off and scratched him in the face. What happens next? He almost butchers her, and would have if not for Vodo's intervention. Suggesting that Sylvar is even capable of challenging Kun is idiotic at best; one of his guards beats the shit out of her with its bare hands, and when Exar meets up with her later he simply tosses her away and makes her cry.
Well, trying to put together the fragmented puzzle the OP left out for us, he most likely meant this: How many rounds can Exar Kun last against Anakin who will get back up, fully revived, after each kill.
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I can see Exar Kun tooling the shit out of Anakin. An exact number of rounds isn't something I'd venture a guess on, but let's simply say more than three.
I'm confused. Kun's best saber feat is tooling Vodo (who isn't exactly a powerhouse), and stalemating Ulic, while Anakin destroys that super commando guy, Ventress, and tools Dooku, who is easily one of the greatest force users/saber combatants in the history of Star Wars. Not to mention this is "in teh z0ne" ANakin, and Kun loses stamina, I don't see how on earth Kun would win this.
On the other hand, if it's a force fight, Anakin=pwned
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I'm not really sure why everyone here assumes that Exar Kun is walking into this fight naked and without the use of the Force; that is pretty much stacking the deck.
In any case, Exar Kun was pretty much untooled by Vodo and Ulic, as well as anyone else who stepped up to him. As noted in the Mace versus Kun thread, he's pretty much on a higher tier than Anakin in Force mastery, so he can choke the little bastard or blast him into chunks with his amulet. Since Anakin hasn't really demonstrated the ability to resist Force attacks on the levels of Jedi Masters (Whereas Kun has, in fact, he's overpowered Jedi Masters in force battles alone) and he hasn't shown any way of blocking those nice little amulet blasts, I can see Anakin getting splattered all over the place until Exar Kun gets tired or bored.
Because in most of the duels he participates in, he doesn't use the Force, at all
None of whom have many impressive credentials going for them, with the exception of Ulic
I'm sorry, but I have to ask when exactly Kun ever uses an amulet via a fight? Or when he pulls off a force choke in a duel? Or how Anakin, noted to possess greater raw power than any force user in history will be unable to block a Force Choke?
Quite simply, he never needs to. Kun spends the first half of his confrontation with Vodo trying to turn him to the Dark Side, and when he decides to kill him he does so with a lightsaber, and fast.
He kills Odan-Urr with a wave of his hand. Odan, the Jedi master who had a thousand years to put together the Jedi Library on Ossus, which contained so much information that Exar knew what he managed to loot was more than he could ever use in his lifetime. And considering that most of what is left over is destroyed by the supernova, much of what Odan knew may have died with him. If he doesn't have some serious credentials, I don't know who does.
Raw power. Not fully realized, thoroughly explored and totally accessible power. If raw power dictated a being's status then Kar Vastor would be easily one of the very strongest SW characters.
Anakin couldn't block Obi-Wan's attack completely. I don't see him repelling one from Exar Kun.
Well doesn't this forum generally judge a saber fight, a force fight, and an overall fight?
Kun was untooled by those two but where exactly do they stand in comparison to Dooku? Safe to say that they were firmly below the count in force and saber abilities judging by the description of Dooku? Even if Ulic was Dooku's equal (logical but an unfounded assumption), Anakin still tooled Dooku (regardless of the details of the fight). You're also assuming that Exar Kun would be able to get distance from Anakin, rather than confront him in a saber fight. Judging by the TOTJ comics, it looks as if Kun would prefer to spar with his opponents, feeding his ego. Since we're going into this fight assuming neither character knows anything of the other, it's reasonable to assume that Kun would engage Anakin in a saber duel, and then try to distance himself from Anakin (ala Sidious). In a saber duel, Anakin has shown that his energy reserves are virtually unlimited when he's in teh z0ne, so Kun has his hands full.
Vodo is only duel among several. Ulic and Ood are a different story
Yes. And Odan who proved to be absolutely worthless in a fight against the greatest enemy the Republic had seen to that point, managed to screw up a battle to the point he made the enemy fight harder...
And also, Luke rediscovers a great deal of the knowledge the Ancient Jedi hid when they knew they couldn't salvage it.
Odan has credentials for knowledge. Not power. To people like Dooku, Anakin, Mace, Yoda, Palpatine? I don't see Odan as anything special.
If KJa had bothered to develop him more, it'd be a different story
Power that tends to manifest itself in situations of sheer desperation and being throttled in the force, close to death might do that.
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Obi-wan tried to force choke him?
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It's not in the rules, and certainly not a reasonable request anyways. We never have an instance where an individual can be judged purely on swordplay or purely on Force powers used; they're always used together. Saber fighting and Force capabilities do count as criteria for a win, but they shouldn't be held separately as if the combatants had to go with one or the other. They link up together.
Firstly, Kun is a "master swordsman" according to narration, which means he's at least top tier. Second, Anakin isn't a better duellist than Dooku; he's simply physically stronger and got one hell of a clever move on him. Dooku's noted as being the elder, wiser of the two and one more possessing Dark Side mastery and Light side mastery as well as being the only living master of a duelling lightsaber form. Saying that Anakin is better than Dooku (Or presuming that all of Anakin's opponents must be better than Dooku) is as accurate as saying TPM Obi-Wan > Darth Maul. In any other situation or scenario, Maul would have beat the crap out of Obi-Wan, and same with Dooku versus Anakin. This is pretty apparent to some; blasphemy to others.
Kun is noted as destroying Master Vodo in lightsaber combat twice, and Ulic, a saber veteran, is unable to take any advantage over him. That speaks for his saber mastery. In Force mastery he kills Odan-Urr with a wave of his hand and makes an entire building his thralls. Tosses around Jedi knights like garbage and makes the chancellor his sock puppet. He utilizes a Sith amulet which can multiply his power tenfold and more, and can use it to demolish flesh and stone as easy as he can move his hand. He even resists an attack made especially to strip Sith of their Force abilities.
That's quite a resume.
Why would he need distance? Kun's physically strong; strong enough to ward off Anakin's Djem So/Shien strikes. He's a master swordsman who can hold his own with all manner of opponents. And his Force powers work at any distance.
Again, you're amusing. So Anakin has virtually unlimited energy reserves and he can just slip into "teh zone" like its an overcoat and outfight a master swordsman with no effort, huh?
Sure, let me try this:
Kun is always in the zone, and he uses the Force to make Anakin bounce like a ball before using his amulet to blow off his remaining organic limbs.
Does this make me a nonlogical fanboy like you now?
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LS:
If Anakin doesn't have the power or ability to block a simple Force-push I don't see him having the ability to ward off a Force choke, which is simply telekinesis centered around one's throat.
As Janus stated, he fought Ulic to sate his ego. Otherwise he would've gone at "the pretender" with the same Sith techniques he used on the wyrm and Aleema.
EDIT: And dude; Ood turned into a tree after getting slapped away, IIRC. Not much of a conflict there.
Which is more a mark in Kun's favor than one against Odan.
He made the enemy desperate. Considering he'd only just learned the technique from another Jedi, the fact that he accomplished even that is notable.
a) That's Luke, not Yoda or Mace.
b) Assuming Luke recovered everything left over, he still lacks what Exar and the Massassi looted, and what was obliterated by the supernova. And I'm pretty sure the Jedi lost the majority of what was on Ossus, hidden or not.
Yeah. And in Star Wars, knowledge = power, as Obi-Wan proved.
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