OT wins every time, they have the cooler characters and the by far superior army's.. .The Jedi wouldn't be able to make a huge difference as they would still be destroyed by the Imperial navy.
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Hmmm, interesting, Fishy. As I seem to remember all the armys from the OT sucked and were slow. The turrets on ships weren't nearly as fast as in the OT. The Rebels' best pilot, Luke, was crap compared to most of the average clone pilots, who did flips and a whole bunch of eyecandy moves, while Luke just flew down a trench with turrets shooting over his head where they can't reach him. The OT armys suck because they aren't bobbing and weaving every second. And don't blame the technology of the 1970's and 1980's, what we see in the movies is the highest form of canon.
We never see a real fleet battle from close up, we see a few fighters. Even in ROTJ the Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers just sit there... What we see the capitol ships do is nothing compared to what they could do.
Those ships however are an incredibly amount more powerful then every ship in the OT. They have more weapons they are bigger faster and they are part of an army that had years to develop. It would be illogical for a fleet to become weaker, and actually everything in EU says a SSD or even a SD is far more powerful then any kind of PT ship.
Just look at the difference between a Star Destroyer
It can not compare, An SSD is even bigger then an SD, it would ravage through the Trade Federation ships... Who were on par with everything the republic had. The PT would be destroyed in naval combat. The ground weapons were also always younger versions of what the OT movies had. The OT had far superior weapons and ships. It did have weaker troops, but the PT only has 1.2 million clones to fight...
The Death Star had about a sixth of that on board of it... 1 battle station, granted a huge one had more then a sixth of that, and the Death Star sure as hell wasn't a Sixth of the imperial navy.
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Well, we don't see any of that in the movies. And if i can't apply this policy to individual characters (Obi Wan, Luke, Darth Vader), then why can you apply it to ships, which were much less visually impressive in the OT.
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Indeed. Episode VI is not a good example of fleet battles. ROTS provides the best fleet battle we see in Star Wars, for most of the space fights in ANH and ROTJ are heavily centered on the Millennium Falcon and X/Y/A/B-Wings. In ROTS, we actually take a look at cruiser vs. cruiser.
However, the SD and SSD dominate the PT ships. Grievous' flagship in comparison to an SSD is toast. And Grievous' flagship was probably the top of the Confederate Navy. The Republic Navy did not vary much from the original SD model, but the OT models are bound to be better, seeing as it is twenty years more of technological advances and such.
Go look up statistics on Wikipedia or the Databank.
Anyways, clonetroopers vs. stormtroopers & rebel commandos...hmm...while the clones have better training (it would seem), there are millions more stormtroopers, and throwing in the rebel troops is overkill.
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I know guys, I was being sarcastic. I was poking fun at the fact that you guys say I can't use the 70's/80's technology as an excuse when it comes to individual characters (ie Luke, Obi Wan, and Vader), but you can use it for ships. I realize you haven't come out and said it, but the naval fights in the PT are much more impressive due to...anyone?...technology.
Err...you can't use it as an excuse for anything, in-universe. When it comes to the movies themselves, then yes, of course you can use it. But movie-making technology is highly irrelevant to in-universe.
The naval fights are more impressive because in ROTJ...we don't look at the naval fights. In fact, I don't remember even seeing a Star Destroyer fire shots at a Mon Calamari cruiser. The closest we get to naval fight is the very start of ANH.
And I mean cruisers and destroyers by naval fights. I dunno if starfighters apply.
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The ships are better in the OT, because GL said they had better technology than in the PT. We never actually saw the ships fight in a real battle, so we can't say that they suck. The lightsaber duels are bad, because...
1. Visually, they are slow and unimpressive. (Plus Luke's baseball bat swing).
2. GL has even stated that PT guys were better. I can't remember the exact quote but he said something along the lines of "the only people we see fight in 4,5, and 6 is an old man, a farmboy, and a cyborg. The PT is lightsaber dueling at its prime." He said something like that.
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even though I prefer the OT to the PT, the PT takes this one.
Not only do they have the clones, but ALL those battle droids and super battle droids. The OT has the DS, which Luke piloted and destroyed, but Anakin was a far better pilot, and ONE single ship took out the SSD by flying through the main control room...send a droid who has no knowledge of suicide and do it again. Plus ALL the jedi and the amount of Sith...the OT couldn't survive. In those terms you're talking, 3 OB1's, 3 Sidious, 2 1/2 Anakins, so on and so forth. At least thats the way I interrupt it. All the characters in the OT that are in the PT are younger and more lively.
I don't see anything in the PT standing against 25,000 ISDs. One single ISD is bigger than anything in the PT, with more turbolaser batteries and turrets.
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