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EU Grievous & Dooku vs. ROTS Sidious & TPM Maul

Non-injured General Grievous and Count Dooku face off against ROTS Sidious and TPM Maul. Which pair wins?

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Sidious and Maul PWN. I don't think Sidious even needs Maul...


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This is Grievous in his hurt mechanical body? Force lightning does him in. Sidious lets Maul fight Dooku and watches him die before easily killing Dooku.


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READ his post, please. He says NON-INJURED General Grievous. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Even so, Palpatine kills him and has some tea while Maul and Dooku fight, and then after Maul loses, proceeds to slaughter Dooku.


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Well it depends how quickly Sidious can defeat Dooku or Grievous. I would say that Dooku would go and confront his master. Dooku's is almost as good of a swordsmen as Sidious, and I doubt he'll die quickly. Now it depends on

Grievous vs. Maul

I'm not sure who'll win this. If Grievous wins, then he'll be able to help Dooku beat Sidious.


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Dooku fights Sidious. After a relatively long battle Dooku goes down. I would say GG beats Maul, but it wont be easy. After a long battle Maul will get sliced in half (again). But then Sidious will pwn him.

If they fought the other way round Dooku would pwn Maul. Then he would help GG and they might be able to defeat Sids. But chances are GG is already dead and Dooku will soon follow suit.


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Dooku wouldn't "pwn" Maul.

Sidious and Maul win.


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Originally posted by jollyjim311
Dooku wouldn't "pwn" Maul.


Yes he would. Dooku is far better than Maul in both lightsaber skill and force powers. The only thing that Maul has over Dooku is skill in hand to hand combat - and seeing this isnt hand to hand combat Dooku pwns. Also Maul was killed by TPM Kenobi. Dooku wtf pwned both AOTC and ROTS Kenobi, both of which are better than their TPM counterpart.


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Originally posted by Rampant ox
Dooku fights Sidious. After a relatively long battle Dooku goes down. I would say GG beats Maul, but it wont be easy. After a long battle Maul will get sliced in half (again). But then Sidious will pwn him.

If they fought the other way round Dooku would pwn Maul. Then he would help GG and they might be able to defeat Sids. But chances are GG is already dead and Dooku will soon follow suit.


Relatively long? Anakin made quick work of Dooku when he got pissed. In an all out fight, Dooku maybe has a minute. If he's lucky.

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Relatively long? Anakin made quick work of Dooku when he got pissed. In an all out fight, Dooku maybe has a minute. If he's lucky.


Lol. I said Dooku would lose. What more could you want?

Anyway Anakin had the form advantage. Makashi couldnt hold up against Anakins powerful attacks. Dooku wont have that problem with Sids. If Dooku can force Sids into a saber battle the fight will not be quick. I would even give Dooku a 30% chance of victory. However if they have a force battle then Dooku gets beaten.


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Yes he would. Dooku is far better than Maul in both lightsaber skill and force powers. The only thing that Maul has over Dooku is skill in hand to hand combat - and seeing this isnt hand to hand combat Dooku pwns. Also Maul was killed by TPM Kenobi. Dooku wtf pwned both AOTC and ROTS Kenobi, both of which are better than their TPM counterpart.


Dooku isn't "far better" than Maul with a lightsaber. He is superior with his technique, but Maul has energy, speed, strength, and unpredictability on his side. Dooku would be hard pressed to defeat Maul in a lightsaber battle. It wouldn't be a walk in the park. Tyranus does have an advantage in force powers, but, still, Sidious could take out Greivous with the force before Dooku could take out Maul. If Maul were to attack Dooku, the following would likely happen: Maul would jump at, Dooku would let out a quick burst of lightning, which would make Maul grit his teeth in anger, and then the melee combat would begin. All Maul needs to do is hold him off. Sidious would be there seconds later to annihilate Tyranus.


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Originally posted by jollyjim311
Dooku isn't "far better" than Maul with a lightsaber. He is superior with his technique, but Maul has energy, speed, strength, and unpredictability on his side. Dooku would be hard pressed to defeat Maul in a lightsaber battle. It wouldn't be a walk in the park.


I disagree. Maul was forced back by an enraged Obi-Wan (according to the TPM novel). I am quite willing to bet that Dooku is several leagues above an angry TPM Obi-Wan. Also Dooku has skill, experience and a mastery of the lightsaber form on his side. Maul having more energy means little, it just means he wont get tired. Maul having more speed means little, Dooku has just as much speed. He went toe to toe with Yoda for heavens sake. Strength will be the only thing that Maul has over Dooku, and this alone wont win the battle.

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Tyranus does have an advantage in force powers, but, still, Sidious could take out Greivous with the force before Dooku could take out Maul. If Maul were to attack Dooku, the following would likely happen: Maul would jump at, Dooku would let out a quick burst of lightning, which would make Maul grit his teeth in anger, and then the melee combat would begin. All Maul needs to do is hold him off. Sidious would be there seconds later to annihilate Tyranus.


Im not saying that Dooku and co will win. Im just saying that Dooku would pwn Maul.


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Lol. I said Dooku would lose. What more could you want?

Anyway Anakin had the form advantage. Makashi couldnt hold up against Anakins powerful attacks. Dooku wont have that problem with Sids. If Dooku can force Sids into a saber battle the fight will not be quick. I would even give Dooku a 30% chance of victory. However if they have a force battle then Dooku gets beaten.


I hope that you're going to realize that there is such a thing called all out fights. Count Dooku prefers lightsaber based combat, but even he was capable of actively using the Force during duels (see Revenge of the Sith).

Yoda and Sidious were locked in one particular form of combat because they were equals - and just as quick. Neither of them could open themselves up for a Force assault without the risk of the other killing them before they could create an attack.

Same for Obi-Wan and Anakin.

Palpatine is faster and more agile than Dooku, and is the smarter fighter. He will use his saber skills, his speed, and his Force assaults - as well as the environment - if he battles Count Dooku.

That would make him far more formidable than Anakin.

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Originally posted by Spartan ll
Sidious and Maul PWN. I don't think Sidious even needs Maul...

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First of all, Rampant, Maul got killed by Obi-Wan because he was gloating and was arrogant, other than that, it was luck on Obi-Wan's part.


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Dooku vs. Sidious, Sidious destroys him in 5 Seconds, and laughs at his mutilated head

Dooku vs. Maul, Juyo and Makashi are both Lightsaber Combat styles, Maul is the better here, Dooku is too reliant on Force Powers to end fights, if he can get one in, he wins this, but Maul might do a Force Push while being Gripped, and Lightning he might block

Grievous vs. Sidious, Sidious destroys him with the Force, unless starting next to each other, then it takes some time to get away from Grievous with the Force, but in the end, kills him

Grievous vs. Maul, Maul using a Force Power could end this quick, but Grievous wins Saber Combat

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Dooku vs. Maul, Juyo and Makashi are both Lightsaber Combat styles, Maul is the better here,


Oh, really? Proof for that absurd assertion? I'll assume - as always - there is none.


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Oh, really? Proof for that absurd assertion? I'll assume - as always - there is none.
Makashi doesn't do very well against more agressive forms of Saber combat(Juyo, Djem So, Ataru.- From SW Insider on Lightsaber Forms.), but is very good against the forms Shi-Cho and Soresu. Juyo is a more potent and more agressive form than Djem So, which makes it that the Count has a very low chance of coming out of this duel alive, considering he had trouble dealing with Anakin , who was using an agressive but more weaker form than Juyo, even though Dooku descirbed Anakin as "the best Djem So user he had ever seen.". So DOoku has a very good chance of getting overwelmed by Maul and then cut down.


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I actually think this is close. Dooku could definately hold off Sidious for a while. I mean, Dooku's close to Mace and Yoda, and Mace beated Sidious while Yoda put up a damn good fight against him. EU grievous is also undeniably stronegr than Maul. I'm thinking that Maul could probably hold Grievous off till Sidious kills Dooku and then GG goes down.


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Keyword in your post, Sith, is 'close'. George makes it very clear that the only one's who can compete with ROTS Sidious are Mace and Yoda, not Dooku. Dooku states in DR, that he fears Sidious and won't even make a move against him, even with Asajj helping him. If he didn't have the guts and knew he wasn't powerful enough to fight Sidious, even with Asajj helping him, then there's no way he can 'definately' hold Sidious off, for long.

And this is pre-shuttle crash Grievous, people. Meaning he had no lightsaber training with Count Dooku, which means he goes down pretty easily.


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