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LatinoStallion
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Angry God should speak up for himself

With people like me and everyone else who rejects the concept of Christian-Judeo-Muslim mainstream monotheistic God, doesn't God get sick and tired of us constantly attacking, challenging, questioning, and making fun of him?

(Assuming he exists)

There are people who speak on behalf of God. Some intelligent, but some total idiots. However, these "followers" fail to carry out his defense very well, since:

1) They cannot agree on the same subjects, each denomination and religious individual disagrees when it comes to Religious Intepretation.

2) Religious people have not been that successful in convincing Athiests/Agnostics or people of other Faiths that thier God truly exists, and that thier religious reference is truly valid.


The Bible/Quran/Torah cannot speak for themselves. Those things need people to speak for them, and are nothing without the worshippers who carry out the message.


Wouldn't it be a little simpler or more effective if God just spoke to all of us HIMSELF instead of shying away behind alure, mystery, fantasy, and virtual non-existance ?


Why doesn't he just speak up for himself? Why not just PROVE religious bashers like me WRONG ?



TODAY !




God, if you exist, I challenge you to show yourself to me. I am opening my mind ! I am ready....just show me a GLIMPSE of yourself...even if it's just a little suggestion...a sign...anything that could get me to beleive in you once again.


Alright guys....you can not accuse me of being closed minded any further...I am waiting. Let's see if this works !


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No, God does not "do", we "do".

God does not get sick of us, people get sick of us. wink


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Goed does speak to people, but there is no single one-size-fits-all answer to the how. People hear it not with their ears, but in their hearts.


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In every detail of the infinitely varied world, man finds his Creator. God, the owner of everything in the whole universe, introduces Himself to man through the flawless design of His creation. Everything surrounding us, the birds in flight, our beating hearts, the birth of a child or the existence of the sun in the sky, manifest the power of God and His creation. And what man must do is understand this fact.

These purposes owe their existence to the fact that everything has been created. An intelligent person notices that planning, design and wisdom exist in every detail of the infinitely varied world. This draws him to recognition of the Creator.

So you need never plead ignorance that all living beings, living or non-living, show the existence and greatness of God, look at the things around you. Strive to show appreciation in the best manner for the eternal greatness of God. For the existence of God is obvious, and ignoring it would only be the beginning of the greatest damage we could ever do to ourselves. That is simply because God is in no need of anything. He is the One Who shows His greatness in all things and in all ways.

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Why must you seek answers to the questions that have no answers? People who see signs of god only see signs of god because they choose to acknowledge what they see as a sign of god.

When I look at the sun a see a bright as hell ball of hot, other people may see proof of god in the sun. If you want to see signs of god you will see them if you don't then you won’t.

I personally don't believe in god or a higher power so I see no signs of him, but if I believed in god I'd see signs of his presents every ware I look because people see what they want to see, and they interpret what they see how they want to interpret it.

Some people choose to make everyday things signs of god and some people don’t. I was in a car crash with my sister and we both lived the driver that hit us died and my sister being religious said it was a sign of god that we lived and me being unreligious said it was the seatbelts…………same incident different interpretations.

So in short if you want there to be a god there will be if you don’t want there to be a god there won’t be.


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So basically, my only option is to apply God to a situation MYSELF. To give this imaginary Character CREDIT for something he has no proven to be responsible for.

How cheap.


If he exists, he can't just tell me he does? All this mystery and alure for what? I can understand if God wants me to search for him, for the sake of meaning and for the sake of effort, but at what risk ? At risk of me ending up in Hell for not beleiving in the first place, and never finding the answer even when I search ?


That's a cop out. A TOTAL cop out !


If it is beyond God's ability to interfere with my doubt, show himself to me without me applying him to a situation, then he is either very limitted, doesn't exist, or he's just teasing us.


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That's why the concept of a God that only cares about Earth in the unimaginable expanse of the universe is ridiculous.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So basically, my only option is to apply God to a situation MYSELF. To give this imaginary Character CREDIT for something he has no proven to be responsible for.

How cheap.


If he exists, he can't just tell me he does? All this mystery and alure for what? I can understand if God wants me to search for him, for the sake of meaning and for the sake of effort, but at what risk ? At risk of me ending up in Hell for not beleiving in the first place, and never finding the answer even when I search ?


That's a cop out. A TOTAL cop out !


If it is beyond God's ability to interfere with my doubt, show himself to me without me applying him to a situation, then he is either very limitted, doesn't exist, or he's just teasing us.

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Originally posted by Lord Urizen

God, if you exist, I challenge you to show yourself to me. I am opening my mind ! I am ready....just show me a GLIMPSE of yourself...even if it's just a little suggestion...a sign...anything that could get me to beleive in you once again.


Alright guys....you can not accuse me of being closed minded any further...I am waiting. Let's see if this works !


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You only live once. But if you live it right, once is enough. Wrong. We only die once, we live every day!
Make poverty history.

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Originally posted by Storm



What exactly are you confused about ?


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I' m not confused at all. The smiley is an expression of... skepticism.


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I am not driven by people’ s praise and I am not slowed down by people’ s criticism.
You only live once. But if you live it right, once is enough. Wrong. We only die once, we live every day!
Make poverty history.

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Originally posted by Strangelove
That's why the concept of a God that only cares about Earth in the unimaginable expanse of the universe is ridiculous.


Aman!

laughing


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Originally posted by dirkdirden
Why must you seek answers to the questions that have no answers? People who see signs of god only see signs of god because they choose to acknowledge what they see as a sign of god.

When I look at the sun a see a bright as hell ball of hot, other people may see proof of god in the sun. If you want to see signs of god you will see them if you don't then you won’t.

I personally don't believe in god or a higher power so I see no signs of him, but if I believed in god I'd see signs of his presents every ware I look because people see what they want to see, and they interpret what they see how they want to interpret it.

Some people choose to make everyday things signs of god and some people don’t. I was in a car crash with my sister and we both lived the driver that hit us died and my sister being religious said it was a sign of god that we lived and me being unreligious said it was the seatbelts…………same incident different interpretations.

So in short if you want there to be a god there will be if you don’t want there to be a god there won’t be.


I don't know about all that, but I love your sig. laughing


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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Aman!

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Amen.


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Amen.


I thought mine was funnier. wink


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Aman!

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I won a staring contest with your avvy, it blinked stick out tongue


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I won a staring contest with your avvy, it blinked stick out tongue


I've never been good at that. wink


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Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So basically, my only option is to apply God to a situation MYSELF. To give this imaginary Character CREDIT for something he has no proven to be responsible for.

How cheap.


If he exists, he can't just tell me he does? All this mystery and alure for what? I can understand if God wants me to search for him, for the sake of meaning and for the sake of effort, but at what risk ? At risk of me ending up in Hell for not beleiving in the first place, and never finding the answer even when I search ?


That's a cop out. A TOTAL cop out !


If it is beyond God's ability to interfere with my doubt, show himself to me without me applying him to a situation, then he is either very limitted, doesn't exist, or he's just teasing us.


Well god is supposed to be forgiving. If you choose not to acknowledge him and he is real as long as you lead a good life you should be fine. I don't feel that any god would send you to hell for having humans’ natural skepticism it just doesn't make since, and the rapist and murders who believe in god aren't going to heaven just because they believe in god.

But I'm not an expert in the subject being an atheist and all.


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You don't believe in God. That is what it wall amounts too. No argument no matter how well it is put together is going to be good enough. God is not accountable to us or you. God from what I can see has never accepted the challenge from a non-believer (any person that doesn't believe in him) to show himself. what i'm saying is that I don't have an answer for you. God demands faith. Faith would mean nothing if he just spoke directly to people all the time. People can argue forever about the existence of God, and whether or not he is real. But at the end of the day it's not well put together arguments that make me a christain it's the word of God that is the basis of my faith. I don't need anybody to justify that.


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Originally posted by jasofisc
You don't believe in God. That is what it wall amounts too. No argument no matter how well it is put together is going to be good enough. God is not accountable to us or you. God from what I can see has never accepted the challenge from a non-believer (any person that doesn't believe in him) to show himself. what i'm saying is that I don't have an answer for you. God demands faith. Faith would mean nothing if he just spoke directly to people all the time. People can argue forever about the existence of God, and whether or not he is real. But at the end of the day it's not well put together arguments that make me a christain it's the word of God that is the basis of my faith. I don't need anybody to justify that.


I believe in God, I simple don't believe in your understanding of God. For example: God is not a "he".


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yeah I understand that you don't have the same understanding as i do but what does that have to deal with my comment you quoted. as for God not being a he I kind of agree with that in that I believe that the Holy Spirit is doesn't have a gender, Jesus was born a male, and God the father is also gender less containing male and female attributes.


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