Exar Kun before him demise in TSW, and Ulic Qel-Droma before being severed from the Force
vs.
Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi, both as of RotS
Setting/round:
1. Mustafar, the setting of the final duel of RotS
2. The grasslands of Naboo, like where Anakin and Padme roll around in AotC
3. The Senate Hall of the Old Republic, where Exar killed Vodo
Rounds:
1. Lightsaber duel only
2. Force battle only
3. Both lightsaber and all usages of the Force are allowed; an all out fight
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Last edited by Advent on Jan 4th, 2007 at 10:30 PM
Honestly, with Saber battles between these 4, you'd have Obiwan losing first in all instances. Yoda and Kun will stalemate while Uliq finishes Obiwan, or Kun tools Obiwan before Yoda finishes Ulic. I would say the same in force battles. Obiwan is the weakest link here and he'd be taken care of by either combatant before someone else dies.
Well, if you match it up, I don't think Obi-wan, in pure saber goes down that fast, due to his pure Soresu mastery, though he'd go down before too long. However, Yoda could finish Ulic off very quickly....on Mustafar, Yoda had a serious advantage, given his acrobatic abilities. In the force, Obi-wan's a massive weak link, but Yoda would probably be able to defeat Exar or Ulic there as well. all out., same issue.
All depends if Yoda can defeat his opponent before Obi-wan dies
Yoda is NOT going to defeat Kun fast, if at ALL. It would be a stalemate on most occasions, and Ulic would indeed finish off Obiwan and gang up on Yoda, where Yoda dies.
Stalemate? Exar has no displayed the raw skill with a saber that Yoda has. And if Yoda faces Ulic, the fight'll end quite fast. And on Mustafar? The Sith won't be able to touch Yoda
Besides being a saber prodigy and defeating his master as a padawan, being the best at the time and creating his own saber and style? No, I think he can hang with Yoda. And Yoda would indeed defeat Ulic after some time but nowhere near before Kun demolishes Obiwan. Ulic DID fight without using the force, and was Kun's equal before Kun created his double blade. In either case the Sith win more often than not.
Ulic's most likely as great a duelist as Yoda.
The dude was able to stalemate a powerful jedi who was being fueled by the darkside at the time, and this was after having been cut off from the force, and 20 years out of practice.
lol, powerful Jedi. No, Ulic could be near Yoda's level for the simple fact that he was Kun's equal before Kun developed his new blade and style, and for the fact that he could stalemate an average Jedi without the force. That does speak volumes for him.
That whole 'defeating his master as a Padawan' detail's find of faulty. Again: When push comes to shove, we have Yoda doing quite a bit more with a saber than Kun has. 'Saber prodigy' describes a LOT of people in Sw, Kit Fisto on. He created his own saber style? Great, so'd Mace and Mace's Yoda's inferior. He defeated his master as a padawan? So? Mace created his own style as a padawan. He was the best of his time? Big deal, so were Revan, Bane and Yoda. Luke and Marka Ragnos too.
Again, Kun won't demolish Obi-wan quickly with a saber...Obi-wan has demonstrated the raw ability to block about sixteen strikes from four different sides per second.
And Yoda would defeat Ulic quite quickly, I don't see how that's up for debate
Lol at Sylvar being termed a 'powerful Jedi'....Ulic managed to hold off a thoughtless berserker.
And btw, Kun had about six months to perfect this new style of him and he hardly even used it in the comic. He swings the saber in battle a grand total of twice. That's hardly enough to gauge his skill with it
Done more lightsnake? Or has more sources describing his life? You act as if more sources=more power. Where does it say Kit fisto was a saber prodigy? Kun was a saber prodigy, and yes created his own saber and style. Mace could arguably stalemate Yoda in saber combat too. And when Kun was at his peak, he absolutely tooled his former master.
So? Dooku demolished him within a few seconds. And Kun is arguably equal to or better than Dooku in saber combat, so yes I'd say he demolishes him.
Easily up for debate, considering Ulic=Kun before Kun developed new style, and Kun was already the top saber dog. So unless you can logically prove Yoda will tool Kun quickly, or at all(you can't), then Yoda and Ulic would battle far longer than Kun and Obiwan.
Mace has been defeated by Yoda, one of the two duelists to ever best him. Again: both those statements apply to Mace as well. And since Vodo was nothing compared to Yoda, that shouldn't be in issue at all.
And Kit Fisto is listed as one of the best saber duelists on Coruscant in the ROTS novelization and he's sure as hell a prodigy in the Cestus Deception.
Btw, Yoda had noticeably more experience and a much greater lifetime than Kun. Of course he has more going for him
Kun does not use Dooku's saber ability. Anakin is equal to or better than Dooku and Obi-wan managed to give him a run for it.
They were stalemating at that time, it wouldn't have continued that way.
Again, is there anything saying how incredible those two were compared to Mace and Yoda, at that point in time?
There's nothing to indicate that Count Dooku would run all over Obi-Wan in a lightsaber fight. Obi-Wan's defense was enough that he was able to withstand Grievous's "twenty-strikes-per-second" hits. Dooku is certainly more skilled than Obi-Wan overall, but I thought it was quite plain that he could only take Obi-Wan out with the Force, easily. Since that's what he did in RotS.
This experience wasn't good enough to beat a 60 year old Sith Lord apparently, so quantity=irrelevant. And do you understand the difference between being listed as a saber prodigy in your teens or early 20's, and trying to speculate that someone is a prodigy because of what he did? There's a huge difference, and wasn't Kit Fisto called a "B level Jedi" by Lucas? Mace would be a prodigy, Dooku, Sidious, Anakin, and Yoda. but Kit Fisto? Please.
Terrible argument considering Obiwan knew Anakin's moves inside and out, and you KNOW this so why through in something so ridiculous in attempt to justify yet another PT Jedi?
It wouldn't have continued this way? I'm glad you have the professional qualifications to gauge what was going to happen next. Unfortunately, it's useless in a debate, nor could it be considered logical speculation.
A producer asked Lucas why "Mace brought the B-Team" to fight Sidious, and his response was: "You need to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor."
Meaning everybody else, prodigies or otherwise, simply didn't have the power to take on the Emperor other than Mace and Yoda.
That sixty year old Sith had devoted his entire sixty years to Sith training and was rather the 'Most powerful in history.'
Kun, apparently had little Jedi and Sith training.
And....no, Kit wasn't called that by Lucas. Someone commented on why the 'B-Team' was brought to fight Palp and Lucas said only Mace or Yoda could compete with him.
Obi-wan's own skill was keeping him alive there. Don't start, because even Mace considers Obi-wan one of the greatest living saber masters
Kun was the strongest of the two. Why else would they name HIM Dark Lord and not say 'fight it out', since the Sith apparently were fine with death duels when power was not determined.
Jan 4th, 2007 10:27 PM
