Bane makes it and becomes the KING of all Sith Lords.
Bane could likely just own his way through the first 7, given the facts that he can move faster than the eyes can detect, and has access to unlimited force energies, meaning he can stay in that state for as long as he wants. None of the fighters he's up against are too special with the force, and I see no reason to believe how they'd handle a faster than the eyes can see onslaught from Bane. So yes, Bane owns his way through all 7, and each one only takes him a few seconds at most.
For the harder matches, he gets 1 hour's preparation, right? Is that only for healing his wounds? Because if he's allowed to gather the force energies that are constantly being given to him, for a whole hour, I'd place my bet on him overwhelming all of the later opponents with some major application of the force, pretty quickly too. With preparation, I doubt anyone would be a match for Bane, Bane makes it all the way.
You still have yet to convince me with the evidence in regards to Bane's supposed 'unlimited Force power'. In fact, I'm wondering why, if that were the case, why Bane didn't simply take on all of the Jedi left in the galaxy - since none of them have 'unlimited Force power' - and conquer the galaxy himself, as opposed to dying and waiting a thousand years for the Emperor to succeed where he didn't.
Well he goes over in PoD how the Jedi, when united, could never be beaten purely through combat. So even if he could do it (though I doubt it), even attempting such a thing would go against all of his beliefs about how the Jedi could only ever be defeated through secrecy and deception. In a pure matchup, with no preperation, I'd probably put Nihilus, Revan, and maybe Sidious above him, but with preperation, I don't know if anyone can stand up to him.
What are the chances of that happening, however? Even if that were the case, Apollo, he could have obliterated Jedi en masse in guerilla-like warfare for years, thinning their ranks, killing off his enemies and waiting to wipe them all out. After all, as you say, Bane is 'quite the genius', even if Sidious is smarter.
To be fair, this belief you cite only happened because a.) the Sith were treacherous and b.) he didn't believe he had the power to do it himself. Declaring him the ability of 'unlimited Force energies' means, quite clearly, that he does have the power to take them all on (or at least very large groups of them). He had the intelligence, the resources, and - according to you - the power to take them all down, yet he didn't.
Again, if he has unlimited Force energies, he can take them all. Perhaps not Nihilus or Sidious due to their drains, but, it is possible. Unless of course this is simply not the case, or there's a big fricken catch to it all.
The following should also be kept in mind, aside from Traya, Sidious and Nihilus have exhibited far more capable skills with drain than the rest you've mentioned [Revan included]. If you're implying that, with those drains, they are somehow on par, you're wrong. :s
For all we know, that's what he could have been doing. Too many unknown variables to accurately speculate.
If I remember correctly, didn't he claim that nobody would have the power to do such a thing?
Well I don't know about that. It's not like it makes him 100% unstoppable. As I said in the other thread, Bane can't simply access the entire unlimited supply at once, and it's not like his passive powers would ever be increased (as he would only be able to actively use them, it's not like he can actually increase his force connection with them), for example his force senses, precognition etc... For all he knew, he would have been perfectly vulnerable to being snuck up on and attacked, and destroyed through those means. It's likely in fact that Bane simply didn't even attempt such a thing, knowing that it could jeopardise the secrecy of his sith order. Really, as I said before, there are too many unknown variables to accurately speculate.
Not agreeing with how the drain technique would put Sidious and Nihilus above Bane, but whatever (I'm not one of those people that views the attacks as one to which there is no defence). As I explained above, the orbalisks don't make him 100% invincible, Bane would know that, so his original belief of how the Jedi could never be defeated through brute force would have still stood, so it's likely he knew never to attack the Jedi with pure brute force. The fact is, just because Bane never attempted to defeat/defeated the entire Jedi Order through brute force, that doesn't mean the orbalisks don't really make him as powerful as it seems, because as far as I'm concerned, nothing contradicts how powerful the orbalisks make him, so my argument still stands.
I am not comparing these Sith in terms of their proficiency in Force Drain but I am pointing out some facts.
And Death Field is a powerful variant of Force Drain, through which a Jedi can drain energies from multiple targets in a single attack.
Also, as far as the purpose of a Force Drain technique is concerned, if used offensively - a Jedi can drain the energies of his/her opponents to replenish his/her own energies and make his/her opponents weaker at the same time with each attack. The damage of an attack is however dependent on the type of Draining technique used.
So the point is that those who know this technique, can pose significant threat to any potential opponents.
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If Bane gets seriously injured in the first five rounds, (which is possible) then he dies at 6 or 7. A severe injury cannot be fully cured within an hour, and he won't face easy opponents. If he passes through those 2 rounds, (luckily) he most likely goes down at 8.
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Oh, of course, I completely forgot this was the Orbalisk Bane. Then he definitely makes it to 8, but most likely dies there. If by any chance he doesn't, then he's got no chance in 9.
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LOL, I think the Jolly's upset that Legend put Maul at #1 on the gauntlet. He's been online for quite a while now, but won't talk to anyone. Can I say, temper tantrum?
Once again, Apollo, you hit the nail on the head. What you have is speculation, theoretical. Declaring Bane the most powerful Sith ever based on this supposed 'unlimited Force energies' at his disposal simply isn't strong enough to stand on its own. Furthermore, need I remind you that even if this were the case, this is due to the 'orbalisks' not Bane himself. He is not therefore naturally more powerful than the likes of Sidious or whomever. Otherwise, am I to say that Naga Sadow is all powerful because he can detonate a star with his ship?
Yeah, hardly anybody owes all of their power to their natural power that they were born with. Sidious, for example, had been draining Byss for years to make himself stronger, so I've heard. Exar Kun and all The Ancients had the amulets and technology. Luke had the Kaiburr Crystal. Malak had the Star Forge. Kyla Katarn had the Valley of the Jedi. Nihilus owes most of his power to the fact that he became a wound in the force, as does The Exile. The orbalisk armour is something that Bane would always be equipped with, so in respect to these versus threads, he should be treated as really that powerful, natural ability or not. That's the difference between the armour and Sadow's ship. Sadow, in a personal confrontation, wouldn't be equipped with such a thing. It would be like equipping Tarkin with the Death Star.
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I was referring to the way you were claiming that Bane can't possibly be as powerful as I was saying by the fact that he never achieved the destruction of the Jedi Order when I said we couldn't spculate.
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May 7th, 2007 07:10 PM
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