I remember Sephiroth moving at a VERY GREAT speed, slicing enormous buildings handily, and trashing Cloud, who is good enough to take on Kadaj and those other two guys (I don't know their names but they're very damn strong) at the same time. when he officially didn't exert himself. He uses magic and his true potential is still unknown. I think that he wouldn't even give our 'gorgeous' fist master a chance to even show him his 'raw strength' which wasn't enough to beat good old Oro, or hit him with the attack which Shin Remy overstates could 'Split a mountain' when he should know that an average mountain should have height of about at least 1000 metres while Ayres rock stand only 390 sth metres in altitude, or hit him with any other attack you mentioned, Shin Remy. By the way, I don't know much about Sephiroth... but I'd also love to see Gouki survive the wrath of his sword.
Sephiroth wins. While Akuma is indeed strong enough to destroy islands, Ayers Rock and a comet that was nowhere near the size of the Earth, Sephiroth is still his superior. Sephiroth during the Nibelheim incident set the town ablaze and could potentially destroy the planet as his mother, Jenova did centuries ago. The two following videos explains what I've stated of Sephiroth so far: http://youtube.com/watch?v=B058nDO6pvo, http://youtube.com/watch?v=MCjGvIJzk6k
As for the comet feat, nowhere does it show Akuma breaking it. It only shows me charging the meteorite. Next thing you know there are a set of characters that appear in big bold lettering. Did he do it? Maybe yes, maybe no. Wrecking a planet and shattering a meteor are not feats for either Akuma or Sephiroth. Rather they are capabilities backed up with support and or/evidence.
Splitting Ayers Rock in half, kicking a submarine to the surface of the sea and destroying an island are all feats for Akuma. It's funny though how some people overrate these feats immensely by saying Akuma pulled these off with a mere punch. I've read many sources saying he used the Kongou Kokuretsuzan, a self-taught technique where Akuma channels all of this energy into one hand, as every source that I've read describes it. As for Sephiroth's feats, destroying the town of Nibelheim, and covering the world in chaos, similar to the way Bankotsu did in DOA2, are formidable feats themselves.
I'd rather not discuss all of their abilities seen in gameplay for a number of reasons. Ability execution times for Sephiroth's magic and Akuma's techniques are questionable and unspecified, so I'm going to stick with what they've shown to do in cutscenes and/or storyline sequences, those being the feats mentioned in the second paragraph. Basically arguing for instance, Akuma would win via SGS, would be a really weak point here, because Sephiroth can cast instant death in his Seraphic form, with the cast time being no greater than a second when auto-haste is casted, which is one reason already why gampeplay techniques such as these should be left out. We should not incorporate abilities seen in gameplay as the execution times may or may not be accurate. They should be discussed according to what they've shown to do in plot scenes however, even doing so will not determine how long it took Sephiroth to destroy Nibelheim, or how long Akuma destroyed his island or split Ayers Rock. 2D game sequences typically don't specify the time occurred events in them happened, which explains my reasoning. However covering the world in chaos happened in a real-time movie which is why it's time can be calculated. In addition Sephiroth can fly unlike Akuma and is faster. Their stamina is roughly about the same, I think.
Anyway, I'll put my money on Sephiroth. With a weapon that's as powerful and long as his he'd have little trouble slashing Akuma to pieces. What implies that Akuma can take assaults from the legendary Masamune, totally has me beat.
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Sephiroth has what it takes to take the majority without trouble. However if he plays around he will lose and badly. Unfortunately for Gouki he is not Cloud and Sephiroth will literally rip him a new one.
Sephiroth's speed dwarfs Gouki's. Sephiroth is strong enough to impale the gigantic Midgar Solom on a tree. And the real kicker here is Sephiroth's masamune. Gouki may have uber durability, but IMO that durability is mostly for blunt force trauma. Sephiroth's Masamune WILL kill Gouki no matter what. Gouki has never shown durability feats against piercing objects to say otherwise. Not to mention with the masamune's range and even the way Sephiroth holds it it is going to be extremely difficult for Gouki to get close and fight him H2H. A shungokusatsu would only result in Gouki getting impaled. Sephiroth's flying grants him an advantage that will prove fatal to Gouki.
By the way Remy just because the thread was made a while ago and everybody agreed Gouki would win does not make this thread invalid because:
1. People leave and come on a daily basis on this forum.
2. Our opinions can change.
3. Nothing here is set in stone.
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...............Sephiroth tries to slash at Gouki. Gouki blocks the sword, by grabbing between his palms and then twisting his wrists thereby breaking the blade. That is exactly what will happen if Sephiroth is dumb to swing his sword at Gouki. Gouki's skill completely dwarfs Sephiroth's. 2nd, you never used the shungoku satsu warp trap, did you? You warp past the opponent, then use a shungokusatsu mid warp or near the end of the warp. It instantly cancels into the shungokusatsu. Now, this is a game mechanic. But the fact remains you are completely ignoring Gouki's teleportation and the fact that he can set up a shungokusatsu from a warp.
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You don't want to bring game mechanics in a debate against a FF character. You honestly do not want to lead the debate there because the possibilities are endless.
Gouki being superior to Sephiroth in skills? Says who? Sephiroth is the unrivaled greatest SOLDIER in the FFVII universe. Even in SF Gouki has peers, and Sephiroth does not. His problem is him underestimating Cloud because of his belief that Cloud is a mere puppet. Gouki cannot afford this luxury.
Oh yes Gouki will ALWAYS grab hold of Sephiroth's masamune. ALWAYS. Especially when Sephiroth's combat speed is superior. And Sephiroth will stand there like a moron while Gouki smashes his main weapon to pieces, right? Because it's not like Sephiroth can kick him in the balls, or any other place to make Gouki release his grip. Nah not Sephiroth.
Sephiroth can teleport as well. He can walk on walls and even ceilings he can telekinetically bring buildings down. He can walk through fire unphased. He can fly and his speed is vastly greater than Gouki.
Gouki will need to put more effort to win the match. While Sephiroth could be flying around him at incredible speed while having buildings fall on him while teleporting while etc. etc. etc.
Once again nothing suggests Gouki is superior to Sephiroth in skills. Nothing at all.
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Strength: I'll say Gouki but this category is no landslide. Every time Gouki destroyed something of consderable size with a blow, like the island, mountain, etc., it was because he charged his fist with massive amount of ki to spread through the foundation of the object and shatter it, Seph is strong enough to impale 50 foot Cobras through trees, he's not far behind.
Speed: Seph has been shown to be extremely fast, dwarfing the speed of Cloud by miles, and his ability to fly and teleport only adds to this.
Durability: Gouki takes this, Seph's durability though certainly above human is not really that impressive compared to Gouki's.
Power: Gouki does have powerful different attacks like his hadoken and stuff but Seph also has powerful magic and can use them to it's fullest, but I think Gouki takes this by a little.
Intelligence: Seph is very smart but when fighting Cloud his IQ drops for some unexplained reason, whereas Gouki has never really shown above average intelligence.
Skill: Gouki has mastered Anatsuken and Murderous Intent, whereas Seph was by far the most skilled and powerful Soldier in FFVII(according to Aeris no ones ever even seen him bleed) and really is the strongest in the FFVII universe(with the possible exception of Omega and maybe Genesis). I think this category is a tie.
Experience: While Seph has fought more opponents during wars and stuff Gouki has fought more fights with opponents who are close to his level. A tie.
Overall, Seph wins after a very hard fight.
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Sephiroth slices through buildings as if they were nothing while setting them ablaze.
Tell how.
Read the part in my last post explaining why game mechanics should be out. That could easily be countered with an instant death spell that takes no more than a second to do. Kinda cheap don't you think? Akuma's better off battling Sephiroth without gameplay mechanics being discussed.
Either way Sephiroth would win this, but not easily.
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Your kind of mountains (about 390 metres in altitude) or the true kind (at least 1000m)?
Yes, it is impressive. But demolishing building telekeinetically is even more impressive. And don't say that a building weighs 55 tons.
Can you specify the size of the island? I'm not saying that the island was small, I just don't know the size.
Well, that's raw strength. But how large was that comet? Regardless if it were small, that's a notable feat. But I guess Sephiroth could also have easily done that considering his speed and strength, and not to mention, he might be strong enough to destroy a planet.
Judging by what arguments others have given, I don't think so.
I think the majority here thinks that he would win...
What Superboy Prime says... Sephiroth is so agile that I think that Akuma wouldn't be able to perceive the attack, and even if he did, do you think that Seph would stand there like a dumb@** and wait for him to break his katana? I'm not saying that Sephiroth would win easily. He could lose also, knowing that if he somehow gets hit by the Shun Goku Satsu, but the chances are very rare. There are 80% chances that Seph would take the victory, I say.
I pretty much agree with this completely. Greath point on the strength part.
Hell no would Akuma break his sword. That thing formed out of thin air and never had a single scratch on it since day 1. It's not called legendary for nothing.
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You warp past the opponent, then use a shungokusatsu mid warp or near the end of the warp. It instantly cancels into the shungokusatsu. Now, this is a game mechanic. But the fact remains you are completely ignoring Gouki's teleportation and the fact that he can set up a shungokusatsu from a warp.
Oh, and Gouki will not be breaking the Masamune, a legendary sword wielded by a legendary Soldier.
