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Nihilist
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is thier any one in dc as powerful as pretcon beyonder?

other than the presence/god is their anyone who could stand up to him alone or even combined as team?

May 9th, 2007 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
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very impressive.

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Hard to say once you get into "Infinity versus Infinity plus one" debates.

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who ****ing cares?

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who ****ing cares?

don't answer the thread then?

May 9th, 2007 05:36 PM

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Beings such as Spectre have better feats for sure.

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He too has better feats. Beyonders ACTUAL on panel feats werent that impressive and have been bested by characters in both Marvel and DC. However its down to the high regard characters held him in on panel and the (unproven on panel) "million times the power of the multiverse" line that people hype him up. Thats despite the fact that on panel Beyonder appearances contradicted this line(Has his power stolen from him by Doom wielding Galactus' powers, takes out Death and then doesnt have enough power left to bring her back without help) and the fact that he never did anything to verify this line. For all we know it was hyperbole.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He too has better feats. Beyonders ACTUAL on panel feats werent that impressive and have been bested by characters in both Marvel and DC. However its down to the high regard characters held him in on panel and the (unproven on panel) "million times the power of the multiverse" line that people hype him up. Thats despite the fact that on panel Beyonder appearances contradicted this line(Has his power stolen from him by Doom wielding Galactus' powers, takes out Death and then doesnt have enough power left to bring her back without help) and the fact that he never did anything to verify this line. For all we know it was hyperbole.

what about a battle that shaked the multiverse and a beyonder saying that he held back. Having his power stolen by doom actually speaks for nothing as Doom has a unique (along with Thanos) ability to obtain enormous powers through technology. (Doom was trashed against the Sun and the only thing that allowed Doom to do anything was his willpower, beyonder was far above him in power.)

Not that I don't agree would put him on the same level as LT, but he has done impressive things as well.

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I'm sure there's cats in DC that can match what Beyonder was,

but I felt I had to post a more accurate account of some of his feats.

Beyonder erased the Totality of Death (Death across the Multiverse)

Beyonder Re-Created Multi-Death, NOT with "help"

but by killing a Life-Form, namely Dave who was willing Not to die but to become the New Death, which occured the instant he was slain.

Beyonder was collapsing UniverseS just by stressing a separate thought.

Beyonder took a blast from Molecule Man that would have destroyed BILLIONS of UniverseS,

this caused Beyonder to cough once. laughing out loud

meh,

Beyonder pumped fear into the Marvel Hierarchy, including the Living Tribunal.

Beyonder created an Infinite Universe from Nothingness,

that encompassed everything beyond the Multiverse.

This Infinite Universe was astronimically more vast than all of canonical Marvel at the time,

(which was a Multiverse)

Beyonder's Universe later further expanded into a Multiverse.

How much greater still this was, I can't say.

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Beyonder created an Infinite Universe from Nothingness

The quote regarding Beyonder's Universe was something like "To which our own is a droplet of water in an ocean", or somesuch.

Basically,

Putting a number on anything (which is the case here), means that particular variable is not truly infinite.

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Beyonder's Universe later further expanded into a Multiverse.

If something is truly infinite, it cannot expand further.

Sure it could be subdivided into multiple parts.

And these parts would still be infinite, (because even a fraction of infinity is still infinity)...

But what I'm getting at is, something infinite cannot become greater.

If this were possible, the thing expanding was never truly infinite to begin with... smile

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What about that 10th dimensional imp guy? Wasn't he beyond Spectre or something like that?

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Originally posted by Galan007
The quote regarding Beyonder's Universe was something like "To which our own is a droplet of water in an ocean", or somesuch.
Basically,
Putting a number on anything (which is the case here), means that particular variable is not truly infinite.

If something is truly infinite, it cannot expand further.
Sure it could be subdivided into multiple parts.
And these parts would still be infinite, (because even a fraction of infinity is still infinity)...

But what I'm getting at is, something infinite cannot become greater.
If this were possible, the thing expanding was never truly infinite to begin with...

I thought we had this discussion before?

The term "Infinite" (in Marvel atleast) is used to describe an area so vast that it seems to stretch for ever, while not being literally "Infinite."

I'll be more precise.

I'll re-phrase my statement from,

Beyonder created an Infinite Universe,

to,

Beyonder created a Universe QuintillionS of times bigger than the Marvel Multiverse.

QuintillionS?

Million
Billion
Trillion
Quadrillion
Quintillion smile

As for the Multiverse his Universe expanded into,

But I imagine it must've been significantly larger.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
I'll re-phrase my statement from,

Beyonder created an Infinite Universe,

to,

Beyonder created a Universe QuintillionS of times bigger than the Marvel Multiverse.

Coolio.

Because as vast as "qulintillions" is........ It's still nowhere near infinite. wink

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May 10th, 2007 05:44 PM

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There has never ever been an entity established in continuity called Multi Death. Beyonder called 616 Eternity a multiverse because of the countless dimensions that existed within his borders. In the same issue that Death was "killed" the abstracts that Beyonder was going to confront were said to be "universal":

the handbook marks out the Death that Beyonder killed as being 616 Death:

The only backing you have for a Multi Death is the fact that Deaths destruction was said to affect the multiverse. Given that

a) Beyonder established in the Secret Wars 2 series that 616 Eternity was a multiverse of sorts in his own right

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b) the issue marks out the beings he was confronting as universal

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c) The handbooks mark out the beings involved as universal

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It seems that it was just the universal 616 Death we all know and love that was affected and the multiversal reference came from this writers interpretation of 616 Eternity as a multiverse in his own right and not just a universe.

On top of that, for someone with supposedly a million times the power of the multiverse, he didnt have the power to bring back Death, without the consent of someone willing to die, therefore introducing the concept back into reality:

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