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Zamp
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Fire & Brimstone?

What are the arguements for and against a Fire & Brimstone God? (Christian)
EX) All homosexuals will rot in hell.... etc.

Jul 23rd, 2007 05:05 PM

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Shakyamunison
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Why do you ask?

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Jul 23rd, 2007 05:06 PM

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What are the arguements for and against a Fire & Brimstone God? (Christian)
EX) All homosexuals will rot in hell.... etc.

and...

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Jul 23rd, 2007 05:23 PM

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Shakyamunison
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and...

So, Pitt, what do you think about fire & Brimstone?

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Jul 23rd, 2007 05:24 PM

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So, Pitt, what do you think about fire & Brimstone?

Great to have a BBQ with, love that smoky flavor wink

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Jul 23rd, 2007 05:27 PM

Zamp
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I ask because I met a person screaming that point of view by the movie theater and I didn't think I was getting a very good perspective from someone holding a giant white cross.
What I really need is someone who is indoctrinated into the dogma to explain it to me... maybe JIA will come back....
I was laughing really hard by the time I left.

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Jul 23rd, 2007 05:28 PM

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Great to have a BBQ with, love that smoky flavor

And volcanoes are really boring without them.

Jbill311, I was raised as a fundamentalist Christian, but now I'm a Buddhist. However, I can try and answer some questions, until JIA get back.

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Originally posted by Jbill311
I ask because I met a person screaming that point of view by the movie theater and I didn't think I was getting a very good perspective from someone holding a giant white cross.
What I really need is someone who is indoctrinated into the dogma to explain it to me... maybe JIA will come back....
I was laughing really hard by the time I left.

youll be laughing even more after JIA has finished rolling on floor laughing

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Zamp
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well, to begin with, do most churches teach a literal view of the bible?
And If god created man, why did he also say that man (Adam) is also naturally a sinner?

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Jul 23rd, 2007 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Jbill311
I ask because I met a person screaming that point of view by the movie theater and I didn't think I was getting a very good perspective from someone holding a giant white cross.
What I really need is someone who is indoctrinated into the dogma to explain it to me... maybe JIA will come back....
I was laughing really hard by the time I left.

Very simple really... sinners go to hell; homosexuality is a sin, therefore, homosexuals go to hell. There is a loophole though, if you accept Jesus as your personal savior then you go to heaven; in fact, that is the ONLY way to get into heaven (Christianity). I would assume in the case of homosexuals, that by accepting Jesus, 'you' in turn denounce homosexuality.

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Shakyamunison
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Originally posted by Jbill311
well, to begin with, do most churches teach a literal view of the bible?
And If god created man, why did he also say that man (Adam) is also naturally a sinner?

Not all Christians hold to a literal view of the bible.

According to Christan mythology, man was created sinless, but when he eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil, he became sinful in nature.

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Jul 23rd, 2007 05:50 PM

Zamp
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Even if we accept his premise that homosexuality is a sin, and that the bible is the word of god, what about adam? He said god gave adam free will, and then adam chose to sin, but then he said that because of that all humans are sinners. What happened to free will. Also- Literal bible? yes or no?

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Even if we accept his premise that homosexuality is a sin, and that the bible is the word of god, what about adam? He said god gave adam free will, and then adam chose to sin, but then he said that because of that all humans are sinners. What happened to free will. Also- Literal bible? yes or no?

We have free will in either accepting Jesus or not accepting (aka sinning some more)...

Not many choices considering it's "free will" and all, it's either "do it my way, or be tormented for eternity"

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Jul 23rd, 2007 05:59 PM

Shakyamunison
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Even if we accept his premise that homosexuality is a sin, and that the bible is the word of god, what about adam? He said god gave adam free will, and then adam chose to sin, but then he said that because of that all humans are sinners. What happened to free will. Also- Literal bible? yes or no?

You have a good point; Adam took away some of my free will.

I don't understand your last two questions: "Literal bible? yes or no?".

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Jul 23rd, 2007 05:59 PM

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We have free will in either accepting Jesus or not accepting (aka sinning some more)...

However, his point is that sense Adam was born sinless and had free will to sin, we should be born sinless and have free will to sin.

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Jul 23rd, 2007 06:00 PM

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However, his point is that sense Adam was born sinless and had free will to sin, we should be born sinless and have free will to sin.

That depends... some facets of Christianity do believe we are born "sinless", that is why babies who die, get a automatic ticket to Heaven, though in some facets, only babies who've been baptised get that free ticket, not really "free will" there.

Like I said, the only "free will" we really have when you break down Christianity is the choice to either "accept Jesus" or not/sin. Column A) or Column B).

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Jul 23rd, 2007 06:14 PM

Zamp
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i asked earlier if most Christians accept a literal interpretation of the bible.

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Shakyamunison
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i asked earlier if most Christians accept a literal interpretation of the bible.

I think that most Christians do not.

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Jul 23rd, 2007 06:19 PM

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Also of note... if God has no bounds, then God is both omnipotent and omniscient. So [Christion] God already knows which of us will accept Jesus/God and which of us won't, though somehow we have "free will" when our paths have already been laid out for us.

Seems silly, why doesn't God just send those who will not accept/sin directly to Hell the second we're born or before if that is possible, which I assume it is, since nothing is beyond God.

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Jul 23rd, 2007 06:23 PM