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How did Christians justify slavery?

This has prob been asked, but I'm too lazy to search for it.


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There is no specific condemnation of slavery to be found anywhere in the Bible. On the contrary, God is depicted of both approving of and regulating slavery, and the Bible has been cited as proof that slavery was part of the normal condition.


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This has prob been asked, but I'm too lazy to search for it.


How do Muslims justify slavery today?


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Re: How did Christians justify slavery?

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This has prob been asked, but I'm too lazy to search for it.


There are explicitly pro-slavery verses in the bible. In the memoirs of FredrickDouglas it's even mentioned that owners who are Christian sometimes become even more vicious because they feel morally vindicated.

Of course most Christians nowadays (or at least the ones I know) focus on the parts of the Bible that are about love and equality. Partially because that's the stuff that Jesus actually said and all the things about slavery and such are OT.


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How do Muslims justify slavery today?
no clue. but islam seems a lot less pro-equality than christianity in general


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There is no specific condemnation of slavery to be found anywhere in the Bible. On the contrary, God is depicted of both approving of and regulating slavery, and the Bible has been cited as proof that slavery was part of the normal condition.
I understand there is prob no condemnation of slavery, but doesn't the bible preach treat your fellow man as you would like to be treated?

what in the bible shows god approving and regulating slavery?


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When a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner's property.
- Exod. 21:20-21 -

Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful to them on the ground that they are members of the church; rather they must serve them all the more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. Whoever teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness, is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words. From these come envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among those who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.
- 1 Tim. 6:1-5 -

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.
- Eph. 6:5-6 -

Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our Savior.
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Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle but also those who are harsh. For it is a credit to you if, being aware of God, you endure pain while suffering unjustly. If you endure when you are beaten for doing wrong, what credit is that? But if you endure when you do right and suffer for it, you have God's approval.
- 1 Pet. 2:18-29 -


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There is a tendency to look at slavery as if it was something of the past. It is estimated that there are today 12.3 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. For more information, please visit: www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2006/. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ should be the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today. The question arises, though, why does the Bible not speak out strongly against slavery? Why does the Bible, in fact, seem to support the practice of human slavery.

The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw the practice altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many people fail to understand is that slavery in Biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was more of a social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their family. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their master.

The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. Black people were considered slaves because of their nationality – many slave owners truly believed black people to be “inferior human beings” to white people. The Bible most definitely does condemn race-based slavery. Consider the slavery the Hebrews experienced when they were in Egypt. The Hebrew were slaves, not by choice, but because they were Hebrews (Exodus 13:14). The plagues God poured out on Egypt demonstrate how God feels about racial slavery (Exodus 7-11). So, yes, the Bible does condemn some forms of slavery. At the same time, the Bible does seem to allow for other forms of slavery. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.

Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside-out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God, receiving His salvation – God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, he will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

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What slavery are we talking about? American slavery was opposed by the Catholic Church and many Protestant denominations. There was no official theology supporting it.

If we are talking about OT slavery it has to be noted that it was not slavery as we know it. After 7 years (I think this is the correct number of years, but I'm not positive off the top of my head) the "slave" is to go free. Abused slaves are to go free, they can make money, have families, etc.

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Re: Re: How did Christians justify slavery?

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There are explicitly pro-slavery verses in the bible. In the memoirs of FredrickDouglas it's even mentioned that owners who are Christian sometimes become even more vicious because they feel morally vindicated.


If anybody knows how to find those verses, I'm really interested in hearing about them.

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What slavery are we talking about? American slavery was opposed by the Catholic Church and many Protestant denominations. There was no official theology supporting it.

If we are talking about OT slavery it has to be noted that it was not slavery as we know it. After 7 years (I think this is the correct number of years, but I'm not positive off the top of my head) the "slave" is to go free. Abused slaves are to go free, they can make money, have families, etc.


youll justify anything wont you.

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What slavery are we talking about? American slavery was opposed by the Catholic Church and many Protestant denominations. There was no official theology supporting it.

If we are talking about OT slavery it has to be noted that it was not slavery as we know it. After 7 years (I think this is the correct number of years, but I'm not positive off the top of my head) the "slave" is to go free. Abused slaves are to go free, they can make money, have families, etc.


I was goint to mention something similar to what you're posting. Isn't the Old Testament the one that deals with slavery? That's where most of the great kings and heroes are described. Whereas the New Testament the one that says love each other and see each other as brothers and sisters.

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2 translations from Timothy, certainly NT stuff:

1 Timothy 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

1 Timothy 6:2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.

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1 Timothy 6:1-2 Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.


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This has prob been asked, but I'm too lazy to search for it.


Slavery is evil. There is no way that slavery can be justified.


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Slavery is evil. There is no way that slavery can be justified.
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What slavery are we talking about? American slavery was opposed by the Catholic Church and many Protestant denominations. There was no official theology supporting it.

If we are talking about OT slavery it has to be noted that it was not slavery as we know it. After 7 years (I think this is the correct number of years, but I'm not positive off the top of my head) the "slave" is to go free. Abused slaves are to go free, they can make money, have families, etc.

Biblical law established two types of slavery, indentured servitude (Israelites) and foreign slavery (non-Israelites). Indentured servants had to be freed after a period of time, but foreign slaves were slaves for life and could be handed down from father to son.


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Well, your boss owns you.


ummm, you know that contract you signed

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