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Shocked Super Android 17 vs Superman

They start the fight over New York.

Who wins?

SA 17 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_17#Dragon_Ball_GT


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Super 17 was only dangerous because he could absorb ki, Superman doesn't use ki to fight, so therefore his one trick is useless.


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So are we really gonna have EVERYONE in the z universe fight superman?

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Super 17 was only dangerous because he could absorb ki, Superman doesn't use ki to fight, so therefore his one trick is useless.


Almost true, he was dangerous in combat from the get, and he became more powerful as goku dumbly fed him energy.

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Super 17 was only dangerous because he could absorb ki, Superman doesn't use ki to fight, so therefore his one trick is useless.
But it is possible that he could absorb HV.

Also, he utterly humiliated everyone as soon as he was made.
He isn't useless even if he can't absorb ki.
In fact, he got destroyed because he was absorbing ki...

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So are we really gonna have EVERYONE in the z universe fight superman?
Obviously...
He's a good benchmark.


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[B]But it is possible that he could absorb HV.


He's never absorbed solar energy. There's no evidence to suggest he could.

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Also, he utterly humiliated everyone as soon as he was made.
He isn't useless even if he can't absorb ki.
In fact, he got destroyed because he was absorbing ki...


He got destroyed because he got distracted.


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What if Superman vibrated inside of him and ripped him apart from the inside?


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Originally posted by Harry Fingerman
But it is possible that he could absorb HV.

Also, he utterly humiliated everyone as soon as he was made.
He isn't useless even if he can't absorb ki.
In fact, he got destroyed because he was absorbing ki...

Obviously...
He's a good benchmark.



hahahahaha

fair. Well atleast you picked a good character and yes, he did embarass everyone from day 1. I think he'd beat superman into submission, lets be real, Supermans fighting ability is llaughable when compared to literally anyone in the z universe.

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hahahahaha

fair. Well atleast you picked a good character and yes, he did embarass everyone from day 1. I think he'd beat superman into submission, lets be real, Supermans fighting ability is llaughable when compared to literally anyone in the z universe.


And how do you draw that conclusion? DBZ characters stopped using actual martial arts sometime around the end of the Saiyan saga, instead resorting to just random high - speed punching and kicking and ki blasts.


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SSJ Goku level Freeza could destroy a planet...Super Android was stronger than SSJ4 Goku and normal level Goku before the Freeza fight, before Namek was training with a hill.
And SSJ4 Goku was a hell of a lot stronger than Goku before Namek.


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He's never absorbed solar energy. There's no evidence to suggest he could.



He got destroyed because he got distracted.
Ki is energy...
I'm just judging off of what he absorbs... a theoretical approach is needed.

He was absorbing energy when he got destroyed though.


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And how do you draw that conclusion? DBZ characters stopped using actual martial arts sometime around the end of the Saiyan saga, instead resorting to just random high - speed punching and kicking and ki blasts.


At what point in the DBZ saga did Sayans Cease to train? That doesnt make sense. Just because they didnt LITERALLY show it in the show anymore? Thats not a very good television show is it? After a while, theirs no need to show the details of thier training. But theyre constantly getting stronger through combat, and through training. Not only that, it doesnt even apply to Super 17 becuase he was re-constructed from his former self. kind of. Look at what they were donig at LOW levels. Destroying planets PRE super sayan levels, super 17 is leauges beyond that.

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SSJ Goku level Freeza could destroy a planet...Super Android was stronger than SSJ4 Goku and normal level Goku before the Freeza fight, before Namek was training with a hill.
And SSJ4 Goku was a hell of a lot stronger than Goku before Namek.


GT isn't even canon to DBZ (it wasn't written by Akira Toriyama and was just made by the studio after he quit). Going by the actual feats displayed, GT characters are weaker than DBZ characters.


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Ki is energy...
I'm just judging off of what he absorbs... a theoretical approach is needed.

He was absorbing energy when he got destroyed though.


It's a specific type of energy.

If I have a solar panel on my house that can absorb the sun's energy, does that mean it can absorb the kinetic energy from a rock falling on it too?


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GT isn't even canon to DBZ (it wasn't written by Akira Toriyama and was just made by the studio after he quit). Going by the actual feats displayed, GT characters are weaker than DBZ characters.
So if someone else writes Superman than the original writers those aren't canon? Pleeeeaaaseeee...

It is stated that GT characters are more powerful than DBZ characters.


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At what point in the DBZ saga did Sayans Cease to train? That doesnt make sense. Just because they didnt LITERALLY show it in the show anymore? Thats not a very good television show is it? After a while, theirs no need to show the details of thier training. But theyre constantly getting stronger through combat, and through training. Not only that, it doesnt even apply to Super 17 becuase he was re-constructed from his former self. kind of. Look at what they were donig at LOW levels. Destroying planets PRE super sayan levels, super 17 is leauges beyond that.


I never said they ceased training, I said they stopped using actual martial arts techniques in their fighting, and just instead resorted to random fighting. Superman has 1000 years of combat experience when he was trapped in Valhalla.


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GT isn't even canon to DBZ (it wasn't written by Akira Toriyama and was just made by the studio after he quit). Going by the actual feats displayed, GT characters are weaker than DBZ characters.


Wow. Why do people say this?

Ill happily post the credits of DBZGT. Youl see akira toriyamas name along with the rest of the cast with the title "originial scrypt"

He didnt write it in its entireity, but since wwhen does the originial writer have to write it for it to be in continuity? Stop reading comics then, Creaters die all the time. Well not literally but you get my point.

DBZGT is cannon. Those who deny it are simply scared of the rediculously high power-houses in GT, and are looking for an easy way out.

why on earth did i spell script with a y

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So if someone else writes Superman than the original writers those aren't canon? Pleeeeaaaseeee...

It is stated that GT characters are more powerful than DBZ characters.


No, it's declared canon by the company.

And it was stated that they were more powerful than the earlier versions in their continuity, but there are so many inconsistencies that it's obviously an alternate universe and not canon to DBZ.


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I never said they ceased training, I said they stopped using actual martial arts techniques in their fighting, and just instead resorted to random fighting. Superman has 1000 years of combat experience when he was trapped in Valhalla.


Wait, so your telling me, a man has been training in martial arts for his entire life. One day, he gets in a street fight with a casual male. He drops his 20 years of martial training... to risk his life? What kind of logic is that?

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Wow. Why do people say this?

Ill happily post the credits of DBZGT. Youl see akira toriyamas name along with the rest of the cast with the title "originial scrypt"


He contributed a few character designs, but that's it. He didn't actually write the stories.

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He didnt write it in its entireity, but since wwhen does the originial writer have to write it for it to be in continuity? Stop reading comics then, Creaters die all the time. Well not literally but you get my point.

DBZGT is cannon. Those who deny it are scared of the rediculously high power-houses in GT.

why on earth did i spell script with a y


What "ridiculously high power - houses"? They have practically no feats to back up any of their hyperbole. SSJ4 Goku struggled to lift a building and got his leg impaled on a flagpole. GT has so many plot holes it looks like it was written by a 13 - year - old.


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