No, no they don't. TC Ultimecia was greater than the god of Xenosaga, she wasn't just absorbing a single universe, she was absorbing all existing universes. She would absorb everything in Xenosaga, god included, like a vacuum sucks up dust. Same with Neo Exdeath, he's an incarnation of the Void itself, and is capable of erasing all universes.
Either one of them solo, easier than you can squish a fly with no wings.
Well he's a citybuster and a continent-arranger so he could beat a lot of the main characters one-on-one. But he can't beat the top tier who are all above the planet-busting range and go into galaxy or universe busting.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
I'm afraid that all existence means all existence Pyron. I know you don't like to acknowledge Ultimecia's power, but you pretending its not there doesn't make it go away.
U-DO is simply an energy cloud that can be destroyed with anti waves. A couple characters calling it god doesn't make it any more than this. It can't compress time, it can't erase all existence, and it sure as heck can't control every other dimension and universe by absorbing them. It would be nothing but a tasty snack to Ultimecia or Neo Exdeath. The other characters you mentioned would get owned by Kefka as the god of magic, so there's no need for the big dogs to even acknowledge them. Existence busting just can't be topped.
Show me a source that there's multiple universes in FFVIII please.
All existence does not mean multiple universes.
He's God Himself actually.
"Are you planning on using the Emulators and Omega to destroy U-DO?" "Nothing can ever destroy U-DO."
And that's the guy who created those anti-waves...
Well I won't get into philosophical debate about what makes a god but fact is U-DO is a god and the God according to some. It doesn't matter much though so think what you like when it comes to this.
Well chaos can destroy the universe "in the blink of an eye" according to the Perfect Guide and he said U-DO's power was infinite. So...U-DO > universe-busters.
U-DO also exists outside of time hence he was not effected by time being rewound thousands of times when Wilhelm reset the universe.
Also prove there are mutlple universes in FF8.
Skip to around 1:10 to see a planet being blasted into another dimension.
What caused that was one of the Zohar Emulators going out of control. The party defeated beings with 3x that power.
Also a ship that could, according to the game's own database, "easily destroy a planet" had very little attack power.
That's just the party. They're incredibly weak compared to many XS beings.
So the party murderstomps Kefka I'm afraid.
Please prove FFV or VIII have multiple universes.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
Wow, I almost feel bad owning someone so ignorant, but I'll do it anyway.
The Void proves there are multiple universes for FF VIII and FF V. All FFs take place in seperate universes except for VII and X, yet the Void transcends all. The Void was what allowed Garland from FF I to time travel according to Dissidia, it was affecting a completely separate universe than its original one. Gilgamesh from FF V travels through different universes now thanks to the Void. It let him go from the universe of FF V to the universe of FF VIII to the universe of FF XII. Neo Exdeath would easily wipe out all these universes because he is the Void incarnate with a will to destroy all.
Also, because this proves that there are multiple universes with FF VIII, it proves that when the creators of Ultimecia say she was absorbing all existence, they mean all existence.
Sorry chief, but an energy cloud that can be hurt by mortals is nothing to beings that can erase or absorb many different universes.
The FF VII Ultimania confirms that unlike the rest of the FFs, VII and X take place in the same universe, just on separate planets and a few thousand years apart.
The creators have confirmed Dissidia as canon. The Cosmos and Chaos reports in it are considered canon backstory for the first FF.
Sorry but you're wrong here. FFXII Gilgamesh is not the real one. he wield fake replicas of the weapons while we clearly saw Gilgamesh has the real Zantetsuken.
Also FFV and FFVIII being connected is a good point. So two universes.
Except he can't. The idea the Void can destroy multiple universes is said nowhere in the games and you're using evidence proivded a decade or more after the games' release.
You're fallating your own worthless interpretation as if it were fact.
Again your interpretation. not fact.
They never even fought U-DO...it was never hurt. Why do you insist on debating on topics you know NOTHING about?
Provide a quote please.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
Sorry pal, but the FF XII Ultimania and the game itself prove its the real Gilgamesh. Canonically there are at least five universes, I, V, VIII, XII, and because he has replicas from it, VII/X.
Except he can. I know you're fond of disagreeing with FF source material as you've done so many times in the past, but Neo Exdeath says he will erase everything with the Void, all life, all time, all existence. Because the Void can affect all those different universes, he could. Stop disagreeing with Canon.
Again, the creators know more about it than you, so their word has precedence over your silly ranting.
I know plenty about the Xenosaga universe, and just to be safe I checked the wiki on U-DO and it confirms that URTVs were going to hurt it with anti waves, but someone had some vision and didn't want to kill anyone so he stopped it.
You, on the other hand, have shown time and time again that you've never so much as read the cover of an FF game, so you should ask yourself the question.
The game explicitly says that its all canon to FF I, they use it to explain its backstory and flesh out its characters, and the game ends with the Warrior of Light walking towards Castle Cornelia as he did in FF I. Not to mention the Dissidia Ultimania says that its canon.
Except the real Gilgamesh has the real swords. What, he traded Odin's real Zantetsuken for a fake one?
Hyperbole.
If he never did and all you have to say he can is his own word, it's not canon. It's hyperbole.
Funny, are you a creator of Final Fantasy? No? Well you're the only one saying Neo Ex Death and Ultimecia can destroy multiple universes...all the creators said was that Ultimecia was gonna absorb existence. Sadly that's up for interpretation and though I know you're an egomaniac, your interpretation is not fact.
Yes and the man who created the URTVs said point blank that NOTHING, by definition the URTVs included, could destroy U-DO.
So maybe you should have a better source than wiki next time.
Oh I've played every FF game. Only beat VII, VIII, IX, X and X-2 however.
I'm also a fan of the series. Not a fanboy such as yourself.
That's great. Can you give me a link to a translation of the Ultimania?
Nope, nope. Now it's broken because you're using a character's hyperbole and your own interpretation as fact. Can't get more broken and inaccurate than that.
chaos annihilates them like the worthless villains they are.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
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In that case Chaos can't destroy the universe because he never did, its just hyperbole. Please stop thinking that your childish mind knows more about the game than its creators.
Sorry champ, but all existence means all existence. Source material > your silly thoughts.
He knew they could hurt it though. Besides which. U-Do is bound to a single universe, it doesn't matter that it has two domains, its still just one universe. Ultimecia and Exdeath affect many universes, they're superior.
Hearing the name of a game doesn't count as playing it, silly, and seeing a screenshot doesn't mean you've beaten it. I'm not a fanboy, I simply can view things objectively unlike an antifanboy such as yourself.
Its a book, they haven't fully translated it yet but they're working on it, so in the future I can give you one. As of now though Dissidia itself is explicit in explaining that its canon and the story is connected to FF I's story.
Fixed.
I'm afraid your silly double standards aren't an argument sport. Ultimecia and Exdeath can canonically annihilate many universes. If the creators of the game and the game itself are just hyperbole, then the same standard applies to Chaos.
I didn't realize facts counted as baseless opinions to you...
Also it says nowhere in FFXII that this is the Gilgamesh from FFV....
Character statements without backing = hyperbole.
If the only thing saying he could was his own wrod, yes it is hyperbole.
Present source material saying multiple universes and I'll agree with you. Right now we have your worthless interpretation and that's not source material.
There are multiple lower domains (universes) in Xenosaga. As he lives in teh upper domain, U-DO is above them all.
How childish. Please grow up.
Again, where do the creators of the game say Ex Death can destroy all universes? It was Ex Death himself who said that...and character statements aren't taken as Gospel Truth.
Also U-DO, like every Xenosaga antagonist, is better than Ultimecia and Ex Death.
__________________ Earth is a beautiful addition to the Galaxy...but an even finer accessory on the hand of a God.
Yes it does. It specifically says he's the dimensional wandering warrior, and he is spoken of as the same one.
Then Chaos can't bust the lower domain of the universe.
Word of mouth is all he has, so it looks like he's less than useless.
FF I, FF V, FF VIII, Dissidia and FF XII would like to have a word with you. They are source material, your head is not.
Divide a universe as many times as you want, its still just one universe. U-DO is confined to a single universe while Time Compression and the Void are not.
Remove the plank from thine own eye before trying to remove a speck from your brothers...
Exdeath says he will, the protagonists know he is able to, anything commentating says he is going to.
Hell, go play FF V. The fact is that Neo Exdeath isn't even in the world of FF V when he is going to use it to end existence, he's in the rift that connects all the universe. That alone proves he was going to affect far more than one universe.
Look, here's the thing, champ. If all you're going to do is say the source material is wrong and your baseless thoughts have precedence over it, then there's no point in continuing with you. If you can grow up and learn how to actually debate, then we can continue, ok?
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