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Racism and Whiteness

I read this article on wikipedia and found it informative. The reason for posting this piece is to show some of the Whites on here that White racism is harmfully illogical and the most prevalent and that racism does indeed exist as alot of Whites on here have denied; meaning that racism doesn't exist anymore. But more importantly the goal is to try to reevaluate perspectives and peoples attitudes for the better as I desperately wish for unity amongst the races in the United States. Now i know this'll come with a consequence as I'm sure I'll be flamed for this resulting in being insulted to an extreme degree which will then cause some of the Whites on here to either go off topic and/or justify racism by not simply acknowledging it. So, here we go.


Racism and Whiteness

Although all nations have had notions of national superiority at one time or the other, white people (specifically, early modern Europeans) developed this notion to "unprecedented" levels as an intrinsic element of the process of colonisation and imperialism. This resulted in the notion of superiority based on race (a euphemism for skin color). This ideology was then used as "justification" for their subjugation of non-white people across the world. Essentially, white people constructed a hierarchy based on 'race', with whites at the top. This created a de-facto global class system based on skin color - with white being seen as the standard against which all others were judged. This folksonomy produced real social effects such as white privilege for whites and colorism between non-whites, with many non-whites competing for proximity to "whiteness" by bleaching their skin (see skin whitening) and adopting a variety of white cultural practices in the form of manners, dress, speech, cultural tastes and Eurocentric aesthetics.

Although laws have been introduced in most countries worldwide, to dismantle this folksonomy, its tenets appear to be still deeply ingrained in many societies (see postcolonialism, colonial mentality and skin whitening). In many ways, this "mental subjugation" (or "internalised orientalism") is the most harrowing aspect of racism, as it is not "directly observable", and therefore difficult to recognize, let alone ameliorate. Whole swathes of nonwhite people have absorbed, by means of cultural osmosis (or memes), subconscious feelings of inferiority, and a poor self image either by way of their direct contact with white people (through enslavement, assimilationist immigration policies, or practices of ethnic cleansing - see Indigenous peoples of the Americas, Indigenous Australians) or through indoctrination (i.e. colonisation).

Generally, the closer an individual's skin color approximates to "whiteness" on the "race hierarchy" established by Europeans, the more the "psychological wages of whiteness" accrue. This has led to wide scale skin whitening in many parts of the world where indigenous peoples have been exposed to racist ideology (either overtly or covertly) via one of the aforementioned events (i.e. subjugation of one sort or the other by white people). Low self image often leads to depression and sometimes internalized oppression, but can also be the cause of intense resentment of a former "oppressor" by a former "oppressee" and may sometimes lead to a "revenge mentality" by those who feel aggrieved or victimised as a result of (real or perceived) ongoing racism in their society/community.

It is impossible to estimate (i.e. put a monetary/societal value) on how much worse off we are (either as a society or globally, as humans), as a result of millions of people worldwide being unable to achieve their full potential, as a result of lowered self image and actual discrimination resulting directly or indirectly from racism. Some white people on the other hand, also, feel a sense of guilt (see white guilt) for the global marginalisation of non-white people (in favour of white people) that had its genesis in racist ideology (and continues to be perpetuated by racism), whilst other white people feel they are "under siege" as a result of historic events that they were "not personally responsible for" (although white people as a whole, continue to benefit from a world system that evolved from a series of historical events that can be directly linked to racism - and now manifest itself in "economic racism" - see neocolonialism and dependency theory)


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See that's what makes me/us think that mostly all whites are either racist of have a racist agenda.

lol,I swear everyday, everytime I look at a white person I think "racist", seriously. Or that white person hates me cause of I'm a different color. Or if he's nice white person it's "He's just being nice to show he's not racist, when he is."

Hey too bad. I don't hate whites cause their skin is white. lol w/e,I guess it's just a genetic thing with whites, i dunno.

Hey w/e, if a white person doesn't like me cause I'm not a whiteboy, hey.

lol, fcuk it. Ya just keep goin'


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So, you're saying the holocaust was bad, right?

Oh, and that all white people are Nazis.


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Why do all black people think ALL white people are racist? ISnt that kind of a racist way of thinking?


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Its nice that people nowadays can form their opinions about race based on wiki articles that slip into the first person and use terms like "Race Higerarchy".


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can this thread be merged with the rest of his racist crybaby threads?

or maybe give him his own 'hypocritically racist ethnic whiner' forum?


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Why do all black people think ALL white people are racist? ISnt that kind of a racist way of thinking?


They don't, just idiots, like the thread starter.

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Re: Racism and Whiteness

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Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I read this article on wikipedia and found it informative. The reason for posting this piece is to show some of the Whites on here that White racism is harmfully illogical and the most prevalent and that racism does indeed exist as alot of Whites on here have denied; meaning that racism doesn't exist anymore. But more importantly the goal is to try to reevaluate perspectives and peoples attitudes for the better as I desperately wish for unity amongst the races in the United States. Now i know this'll come with a consequence as I'm sure I'll be flamed for this resulting in being insulted to an extreme degree which will then cause some of the Whites on here to either go off topic and/or justify racism by not simply acknowledging it. So, here we go.



Oh king of clownishness, why do you persist?

1) It's a wiki article
2) Not a single person in here, "White" or otherwise denies that racism exist... What you fail to grasp in your ignorant racist ways is, racism exist within all groups and all peoples, i.e. not just the "White man". You are an excellent example of this, as you're Hispanic/Black racist.
3) You cry for unity, yet you're a racist with clear racist views and a racist agenda, go figure.
4) You cry about being "flamed", yet you post racist post after racist post, that sounds logical?
5) Post the link to the article, when posting an article.
6) It's a wiki article.


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Re: Re: Racism and Whiteness

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Oh king of clownishness, why do you persist?

1) It's a wiki article
2) Not a single person in here, "White" or otherwise denies that racism exist... What you fail to grasp in your ignorant racist ways is, racism exist within all groups and all peoples, i.e. not just the "White man". You are an excellent example of this, as you're Hispanic/Black racist.
3) You cry for unity, yet you're a racist with clear racist views and a racist agenda, go figure.
4) You cry about being "flamed", yet you post racist post after racist post, that sounds logical?
5) Post the link to the article, when posting an article.
6) It's a wiki article.


You forgot to mention that it's a wiki article....


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You forgot to mention that it's a wiki article....


My bad... it's a wiki article everyone.

"psychological wages of whiteness"... WTF?


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Why do all black people think ALL white people are racist? ISnt that kind of a racist way of thinking?


Irony.


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It would be naive to say there is no racism anymore, but it would be plain stupid to say all whites are racist. Things re changing, and more and more people are being educated. I 've been lucky that i avent experienced any racism, maybe i will in the futre, but thats not gonna make me think "god i hate these whites", because there are more people who are tolerant, and generally good.


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Why do all black people think ALL white people are racist? ISnt that kind of a racist way of thinking?


Wow. A racist post on racism against racism. I think that's a record.


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Wow. A racist post on racism against racism. I think that's a record.


just thought it was appropriate, due the insinuation by the opening post...does no one recognize sarcasm anymore? Or do people only acknowledge their own witless sarcasm?


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Irony.


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Wow. A racist post on racism against racism. I think that's a record.


yeah, you're a bit late with that one

but allow me to break the record:

anyone who says "Why do all black people think ALL white people are racist? ISnt that kind of a racist way of thinking?" is a racist cracker.

now its a a racist reply to a racist post on racism against racism


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PVS. **** you.

Spoiler: **** you.


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PVS. **** you.

Spoiler: **** you.


i love you. touch me....there


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I've fallen for that too many times.


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ok fine. so you're actually not pumping a yogurt machine. i thought you already knew that, and were just being cute and acting naive.


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Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
It would be naive to say there is no racism anymore, but it would be plain stupid to say all whites are racist. Things re changing, and more and more people are being educated. I 've been lucky that i avent experienced any racism, maybe i will in the futre, but thats not gonna make me think "god i hate these whites", because there are more people who are tolerant, and generally good.


Not sure it was intentional or not; your post implies that if you were to experience racial hatred, it would have to come from "Whites"...


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