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Why have Al Qaeda not attacked America since 9/11?

11th september 2001
19 al qaeda terrorists hijacked 4 planes full of passengers
2 flown into twin towers and another flown into the pentagon
WHY? why did they attack america? what is bin laden's beef?

israel and palestine is one reason given, america supports israel and close friends with them
military bases in saudi arabia and throughout the region is another reason given

after 9/11 america was still close friends with israel and set up even more bases throughout middle east
they went to war with afghanistan and iraq and now libya more recently and thousands of muslims have been killed as a result

so al qaeda should be fuming with anger and hatred after this right?
yet, there have been no attacks on america by al qaeda since 9/11
WHY???

and i don't just mean another attack on the scale of 9/11, i mean no attack of any kind whatsoever

how could they pull off such a massive operation as 9/11 one moment and the next they cannot even blow up a car or hijack a bus, even something as small as one lone crazy al qaeda guy going into a pub and shooting a load of people

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what a load of horse shit. seems like you agree with "if we dont fight them there, theyll come here!", one of the most ridiculous stances of the bush regime.

the reason there havent been attacks is because alqaeda is a TINY ass organisation that is too worried about their own asses to plan stuff like that. another reason, they acheived their goals by dragging america into a war which consumes its economic resources and makes the world hate it due to its actions.

i think it would help people immensely to understand the difference between alqaeda and the TALIBAN.

what you have stated is merely propaganda for imperialism

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p.s. correct me if im wrong{in which carse, i apologise for my harsh reply)

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what a load of horse shit. seems like you agree with "if we dont fight them there, theyll come here!", one of the most ridiculous stances of the bush regime.

the reason there havent been attacks is because alqaeda is a TINY ass organisation that is too worried about their own asses to plan stuff like that. another reason, they acheived their goals by dragging america into a war which consumes its economic resources and makes the world hate it due to its actions.

i think it would help people immensely to understand the difference between alqaeda and the TALIBAN.

what you have stated is merely propaganda for imperialism


my post was asking questions

i made no statements, only questions

you make several assumptions

i suggest you read my post again

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because AQ has less than 200 members, less than 20 key members

not to mention that, since 9-11, they have been in active combat, have had their finances cut, and the west has taken the threat of islamic terrorism seriously


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because AQ has less than 200 members, less than 20 key members

not to mention that, since 9-11, they have been in active combat, have had their finances cut, and the west has taken the threat of islamic terrorism seriously


less than 200 members?

so why do USA and allies say there are hundreds of al qaeda cells throughout the world and thousands of terrorists?

only 200 al qaeda fighting USA and the allies?

so either they are spartans or the US and allied forces truly suck

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those numbers come from us intelligence itself

America isn't really fighting AQ anywhere at this point, with the exception of drone attacks in Yemen

otherwise, what you are talking about is political propaganda


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I'd also point out, AQAP, in Yemen, is really only loosely affiliated with AQ proper


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less than 200 members?

so why do USA and allies say there are hundreds of al qaeda cells throughout the world and thousands of terrorists?


Do they say that? The media certainly gives that impression but is it what the CIA and such say?

Thousands of terrorists, sure, most of them aren't even indirectly part of Al Qaeda.

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so either they are spartans or the US and allied forces truly suck


It's not like those 200 guys have personally killed many US soldiers, they spend their time running away.


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god, that even depends on what you call a terrorist

are the baathists in Iraq, or local resistance groups "terrorists" because they use asymmetric tactics? are the taliban groups terrorists? is al Shabab, the defacto ruling group in Mogadishu a terrorist organization?


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Originally posted by inimalist
those numbers come from us intelligence itself

America isn't really fighting AQ anywhere at this point, with the exception of drone attacks in Yemen

otherwise, what you are talking about is political propaganda


i am not talking propaganda of any kind

i am asking questions based on info told to me from governments

how do you know what the US intelligence itself says? and how reliable is anything they say?

regular people know nothing of any intelligence, we just know what we get told by governments

the intelligence on iraq was wrong, so how does anyone know what is truth and fiction?

my main question is why have america not been attacked since 9/11? i don't understand why there have been no more attacks throughout the "war on terror"


are there any terrorist cells in america right now?

if there are, why have they not attacked?

if there are no terrorists inside america why are they fighting a war on terror still? why not just stop their fighting and bring their soldiers home?

none of it makes sense

what are they fighting over/for?

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Originally posted by GRIMNIR
i am not talking propaganda of any kind

i am asking questions based on info told to me from governments


well, yes, that is the point...

politicians use the specter of terrorism to push through their policy ambitions

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how do you know what the US intelligence itself says? and how reliable is anything they say?

regular people know nothing of any intelligence, we just know what we get told by governments


they release frequent reports that are normally completely ignored by the political establishment

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the intelligence on iraq was wrong, so how does anyone know what is truth and fiction?


yes, but you could make that argument about anything

there is certainly no credible evidence that AQ has thousands of members though

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my main question is why have america not been attacked since 9/11? i don't understand why there have been no more attacks throughout the "war on terror"


the short answer is that AQ proper was all but destroyed in the initial invasion of Afghanistan

the terror attacks you see in the west now are almost uniformly perpetrated by home grown islamists, something which North America has a little bit of natural protection against. The reason for this is that most North American countries don't define themselves by a single identity, but rather as a tolerant group of multiple ethnicities, and therefore, it is easier for immigrants to feel as though they belong to the society. There is also the fact that europe is closer than north america to these muslim nations, and therefore the immigrants who tend to come to NA from those places generally have more money and can thus integrate better into society.

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are there any terrorist cells in america right now?


probably, but not all terrorists are part of AQ. there are more jewish and christian terrorists in America than islamists, however, environmental and leftist terrorism takes the largest share of terrorist activities in the states

statistically speaking, you have much more to worry about from the children of god or the animal liberation front than you do AQ

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if there are, why have they not attacked?


because it isn't really easy to do, especially in a climate where the authorities are very sensitive to these matters

look at the failed times square attack. They nabbed the guy because a store clerk thought it was weird he bought a large amount of nail polish remover

there is also the fact that muslims in America have been incredibly cooperative with the police, and have informed frequently on the suspicious activities of their neighbours.

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Originally posted by GRIMNIR
if there are no terrorists inside america why are they fighting a war on terror still? why not just stop their fighting and bring their soldiers home?

none of it makes sense

what are they fighting over/for?


?

lol, 2003 just called, they're wondering where you have been for 8 years


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Originally posted by GRIMNIR
11th september 2001
19 al qaeda terrorists hijacked 4 planes full of passengers
2 flown into twin towers and another flown into the pentagon
WHY? why did they attack america? what is bin laden's beef?

israel and palestine is one reason given, america supports israel and close friends with them
military bases in saudi arabia and throughout the region is another reason given

after 9/11 america was still close friends with israel and set up even more bases throughout middle east
they went to war with afghanistan and iraq and now libya more recently and thousands of muslims have been killed as a result

so al qaeda should be fuming with anger and hatred after this right?
yet, there have been no attacks on america by al qaeda since 9/11
WHY???

and i don't just mean another attack on the scale of 9/11, i mean no attack of any kind whatsoever

how could they pull off such a massive operation as 9/11 one moment and the next they cannot even blow up a car or hijack a bus, even something as small as one lone crazy al qaeda guy going into a pub and shooting a load of people

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Re: Why have Al Qaeda not attacked America since 9/11?

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how could they pull off such a massive operation as 9/11 one moment and the next they cannot even blow up a car or hijack a bus, even something as small as one lone crazy al qaeda guy going into a pub and shooting a load of people

confused


Because 9/11 was an incredible fluke. In fact it was their second attempt that we know of to destroy the Trade Centers.


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there is also the general psychology of terrorists themselves. most are really only willing to engage in domestic struggles against local oppression (Kashmir, Palestine, Chechnya, soviet and American occupied Afghanistan, the Pakistani tribal regions). fighting against America was not an original goal of most mujahideen organizations, and in fact, bin laden was very unpopular among post soviet afghan fighters for wanting to fight them.


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Originally posted by inimalist


all these questions i am asking are from a devil's advocate point of view btw, i am not asking from a personal view


well, yes, that is the point...

politicians use the specter of terrorism to push through their policy ambitions

this is true

they release frequent reports that are normally completely ignored by the political establishment

there is no way of knowing whether what the CIA says is truth or fiction given their history
only way to know is if you are actually part of the CIA and high ranking as well


there is certainly no credible evidence that AQ has thousands of members though

there is no evidence that there is 1 member, 100 members or 1 million members
all we know is what we get told


the short answer is that AQ proper was all but destroyed in the initial invasion of Afghanistan

the terror attacks you see in the west now are almost uniformly perpetrated by home grown islamists, something which North America has a little bit of natural protection against. The reason for this is that most North American countries don't define themselves by a single identity, but rather as a tolerant group of multiple ethnicities, and therefore, it is easier for immigrants to feel as though they belong to the society. There is also the fact that europe is closer than north america to these muslim nations, and therefore the immigrants who tend to come to NA from those places generally have more money and can thus integrate better into society.

i am asking about terrorists not multiculturalism and integration

probably, but not all terrorists are part of AQ. there are more jewish and christian terrorists in America than islamists, however, environmental and leftist terrorism takes the largest share of terrorist activities in the states

statistically speaking, you have much more to worry about from the children of god or the animal liberation front than you do AQ

i am not interested at this time about other terrorists, i am only interested in the terrorists who the government said attacked america on 9/11, other terrorist organisations are irrelevant to my questions

because it isn't really easy to do, especially in a climate where the authorities are very sensitive to these matters

look at the failed times square attack. They nabbed the guy because a store clerk thought it was weird he bought a large amount of nail polish remover

instead of looking at a failed case that media picked up and ran with, i want to look at why there have been no successful attacks on america
not even small scale attacks
terrorist attack is actually easy, especially by someone who has no fear of being caught or death
i am in the uk and if i was a nutcase it would be so easy for me to carry out a terrorist attack all by myself, in USA it would be even easier due to the prevalence of weapons for sale

there is also the fact that muslims in America have been incredibly cooperative with the police, and have informed frequently on the suspicious activities of their neighbours.

well that covers the retarded terrorists who say to their neighbour "hey am gonna buy a gun tomorrow and kill some infidels" what about the terrorists who are organised and not retarded, the type who carried out 9/11 according to government

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lol, 2003 just called, they're wondering where you have been for 8 years

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dont be smart arse

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Because 9/11 was an incredible fluke. In fact it was their second attempt that we know of to destroy the Trade Centers.


they really got it in for them trade centres don't they

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they really got it in for them trade centres don't they


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how did the terrorists manage to successfully attack the HQ of american military, the pentagon?

why don't the government let us see video footage of the plane crashing into the pentagon, why no just show the footage instead of keeping it secret for no valid reason

why did the terrorists not attack the white house just down the road?

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