We're using the classic line ups, pre new52 for DC. Hell powers for Hellcat. No substitutions.
Match them up any way you want, explain if you'd like. First round is individual matches, no prep. No BFR.
Following rounds at 5 minute intervals, if both sides are no longer even, double team however you think best. Rounds go on till one team wins.
I matched mine up as: the team leaders, the warrior women, the two fastest, the strongest one/the strongest will, the two norms (more or less) and the two water breathers for variety, and the two left over.
ROUND 1
Superman-Dr. Strange
Wonder Woman-Valkrie
Flash(Wally)-Silver Surfer
Green Lantern(Hal)-The Hulk
Batman-Sub Mariner
Aquaman-Nighthawk
Martian Manhunter-Hellcat
ROUND 2
Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter-Dr. Strange
Aquaman-Sub Mariner
Green Lantern-silver Surfer
My reasoning:
The presence of pre-52 Batman and MM. Pre-52, the JLA had one of the best teamwork around. With Bats there (i.e., me), I would apply strategy and tactics to determine the matchups that I have here.
Without BFR, the best bet to take Hulk out is with WW's lasso (I wanted to avoid endless arguments of Supes/Hulk, or whether MM can take control of Hulk etc).
With Strange, I firmly believe that for all his power, he still has a human's level of reactions. So an extremely powerful version of the foes Flash faces (Captain Cold, Mirror Master etc) - i.e. a human. But still, only human.
Nice. I opted for more competitive, but thats dang fine Batmanning!
Question, and not to dispute the outcome but, do you think Hulk could snap the lasso? Its never been done that i'm aware of.
It's certainly debatable, there's an example of Bizarro doing it (which has some people debating its canonicity), but I was angling for WW using it to either make Hulk surrender or revert to Banner.
Of course, with a more ruthless tactician on the Defenders team (in my mind I was using Obsidian age era Batman or Morrison's Batgod) a case could be developed for different matchups.
They might have a say in it. I don't see Namor/Hulk/Valkyrie listening to anybody's planning though
I was envisaging it as team Defender goes first (because Bats is an ass like that) and then adapting on the fly.
So team Defender says: we pick Hulk (strongest there is)
JLA: OK, we pick WW.
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Last edited by DarkSaint85 on Jun 22nd, 2014 at 12:11 PM
Nah, he'll be doing the picking as the leader. And slowly crying inside as his tactics are wiped off the board by Batman. He wipes his tears with his feathers, but its not enough.
Next time, the Defenders choose Hulk as their leader, as he cannot be any worse.
Hellstrom Unlike Strange can tank the type of damage Superman can deliver. He can also contend with him physically and as his hell fire is magical and based on the soul can do Supes vast damage (plus his magic is up there with classic Strange)
Superman has tanked hellfire from Etrigan with no problems. Also I doubt Hellstrom can take the punishment from Superman in a forum setting. Very few in herald category can.
O_o ?? I didn't use any substitutions. All those listed were classic members. The only one who could be questionable is Hellstrom and he was a member of the Defenders over 20 issues before his wife Hellcat from my recollection, and only 9 or 10 after Nighthawk. There doesn't seem to be an issue using them
Etrigan =/= Hellstrom (in fact well shy) Daimon has used his hell fire to utterly destroy a demon entity sent by his father to take his power. has defeated his father in his won realm with it, and Mephisto in his.His spells have also contained Dormammu, Black Heart and others. That's like comapring a piece of TNT to a A-bomb.
As fir Hellstrom's durability etc. When fighting Mind star he could fall from the stratosphere to earth without severe injury when Mindstar cut him off from his trident. When he was only part demon (before undergoing the rituals to bring his full demon blood to the fore) he had base strength of a 100n Men (40 ton) and with his hellfire could amp that by a factor of ten. full demon blood amped that by quite a bit again. ability the also has the ability to heal himself and others. When Profeet (and immortal seer) sacrificed himself to ensure the destiny occurred Daimon returned him to life with a touch. same for Beast lady friend. Lets also not forget his ability to time manip, when fighting a vampire he made it daylight in the middle of the night and casually travelled through time more than once.
I was trying to think of a JLAer who matched Nighthawk. All I meant was Nighthawk from memory joined in a #15 (might have been a little earlier), Hellstrom in issue #24/5 ish from memory and Hellcat somewhere in the 40's.
I was trying to think of a JLAer who matched Nighthawk. All I meant was Nighthawk from memory joined in a #15 (might have been a little earlier), Hellstrom in issue #24/5 ish from memory and Hellcat somewhere in the 40's.
And all i meant was that when i said classic i meant my choice of classic. The core Defenders plus NH, Val and HC are the classic version, despite who came first.
Kind of like how Cap wasnt an original Avenger but is part of the classic team.
Still, doesnt matter. I can see you've got abhi wound up. Feel free to keep derailing my thread till you realize you arent going to change his mind, get bored, and he claims he's won another debate.
yes he has also defeated them with more than that.
There is nothing vague about it, he brings the dead back to life with a touch and can heal himself faster than any healing factor based character in comics. He's also tanked physical bloes of several hundred tons with no effect and tanked energy attaks of high order, and that's not even with his shields that can hold even Dormammu
I'm extrememly familiar with Etrigan, have his entire series and many more of his appearances. Hellstrom has soloed several demon's on Etrigan's level ( all hell heirachy) with very little problem. in Fact he soloed every bloody demon in hell when taking a few souls to heaven to free them from an unjust punishemnt. Hellstrom's power has been stated to be on Dr Strange's level (in classic days at that)
he has alos done more than just travel time he has made time completely change. he was battling the vamoire and night and simply made it day. he can create many duplicates, shrink and grow himself, control the elements, cast powerful spells.
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Jun 22nd, 2014 11:25 AM
So, he has some vague HF and can travel through time. How does that prevents him from getting KTFO by a punch to the face?
