Yoda's command of the Force seems to be much greater - given that he is the most powerful Jedi prior to Luke; I'm told that that Kas'im's lack of overwhelming strength in the Force was mentioned in the book.
No offense, but Kas'im, even though he mastered all seven forms of lightsaber combat (an impressive feat), is no match for Yoda in terms of the Force. Here's how I see it:
Lightsaber skills- Yoda- 9 Kas'im- 9.3
Force powers- Yoda- 9 Kas'im- 7? maybe 6?
Overall- Yoda- 9 Kas'im- 7, 8?
Put it this way, Kas'im was able to defend against an energy attack, and redirect it, and its redirection was able to collapse the entire Rakatan temple. Imagine how powerful the blast was head on, that kind of raw power is beyond Yoda, and Kas'im was able to not only defend against it, but redirect it. So I really can't see Yoda winning with the force, it's gonna come down to sabers which I can see Kas'im winning.
Also, I just wanted to say that I'm done with the insults, so let's try to get past that and go back to debating civilly, it's a part of the reason why I made this thread.
Last edited by The Sith'ari on Dec 9th, 2006 at 04:08 AM
To make a case for Kas'im winning in sabers, I'm just going to have to pull this quote out again:
'Within the first few passes Bane knew he couldn't win. Kas'im had trained his entire life for this moment. After years of study, he'd mastered all seven forms of the lightsaber. Then he'd honed his skill for decades, perfecting every move and sequence until he had become the perfect weapon and the greatest living swordsman in the galaxy. Maybe the greatest swordsman ever. Bane was no match for him.'
So Kas'im had spent years mastering all seven forms, for all the primary types of saber - that alone is huge. But then he spent decades perfecting the forms and sequences for each form, so he basically did what Mace did with Juyo (in regards to the moves and sequences) to all 7 forms. That's even greater than just mastering them, he expanded on them, in a way he kinda created 7 new forms, and he was stated to switch up between the styles while in combat, so his fighting style would be very much alien to Yoda in combat, I doubt he would be able to anticipate all of Kas'im's masterful moves and sequences.
Was that lightsnake by any chance? I can't say I've come across anything like that, but if anything, it might have been in comparison to Bane's strength in the force, who most likely has the highest potential in the whole of SW with the exception of Anakin.
Given how quickly he grew as powerful as he did, I'd say it's very likely. It's also strongly hinted that he was the sith'ari, who is basically the sith's chosen one.
And that's just talking about the force, I'd say that it's likely Bane may have been the most prodigious lightsaber user ever. Just wait, in a few books time he's gonna be even more uber than he was in PoD, he'll overtake Sidious for sure, and most probably Luke, unless he suffers a similar fate to Anakin's.
You clearly don't know what a troll is, otherwise you'd understand that there isn't a bigger one than you.
Refute what? You brought up some bullshit that not only is ridiculous, but laughable. Why would I have to prove anything when you're doing a great job of making a fool out of yourself.
Planet, your predictions about Bane as far as his potential and power are nothing more than unsupported assumptions. You are free to make them, but it becomes a problem when you try to pass them off as something concrete in an argument.
Anakin is the Chosen One, created by the Force itself to restore balance - a future and a responsibility that supercedes the light and dark sides. That alone implies a command of the Force that is unparalleled. You can speculate on Bane's potential, but nothing indicates that it comes close to anything Anakin has - who is twice the potential of Sidious.
On the subject of Sidious himself, Lightsnake did provide a quote from one of the sourcebooks (I will have to check on which specific one), which states that he is "the strongest of Bane's order". Considering how Bane himself is in the order, his strength in the dark side surpasses Bane's.
Labyrinth of Evil refers to Sidious: "the dark side had been gaining strength, waiting for the one who would be born to embrace it fully, and become its dedicated instrument. This was Sidious: powerful enough to hide in plain sight."
(I don't have the book with me, tonight, but I did remember that quote - it was one of many).
Sidious is more powerful than Bane. Especially by Dark Empire, where the Ancient Sith note that Palpatine gave himself completely to the dark side long ago.
Unsupported? They are supported by the list of prodigious feats bane does in PoD.
And Bane is quite clearly the sith'ari, the sith's equivalent.
Well he performed far greater feats than Anakin did with less training, granted he was older.
But anyways, I have accepted that Anakin is probably the one person who has a higher potential. I'm arguing 2nd highest, here.
I own both the Dark Empire Sourcebook and the Darkside sourcebook, nothing remotely similar to that is in either. Really, half the stuff that Lightsnake claims is in there clearly doesn't exist.
This speaks for his dedication to the darkside and his ability to mastermind the rise to power of the sith. It's not really referring to martial combat power.
DE Sidious is more powerful than PoD Bane, I agree, but I'm speculating what Darth Bane will become, not what he is in his most recent depictions. Now let's use RotS Sidious and compare him to PoD Darth Bane, he was older, had far more time to study the darkside, had access to as much as Bane, yet Bane at this stage has still displayed much more power. I think it's pretty obvious that his potential is far above Palpatine's.
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