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Calexit. California Seceding. Good idea or GREAT IDEA!?

So just about the Ultimate Safe State in the Union of America wants secede from the rest of the country cause Dey Don't wike de big mean Donald Trump. (poor cry babies)



CallyGoByeBye?!

So what do out boards Current Batch of Leftist Progressives think of the idea?

Yay or Nay?

What abou you Right Wing Alters?

Personally I say....


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Cut off California from the mainland. I mean literally cut it off. Then it can be an island paradise ruled by Hilary Clinton.

Surely within 10 years everyone will be dying to be like Hilafornia.


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I was reading about this a few weeks ago after the election when it was gaining steam on social media since I live in California and was interested in learning about the legality and consequences of seceding.

The first thing to consider is that it's essentially impossible for a state to secede, it just isn't going to happen. Even if the measure gets put on the ballot in the future and Californians were to vote in favor of it, all other states would have to give their consent for a state to leave, and that's where this would essentially become an impossibility. California is such a huge state, and pays so much in federal taxes because of the massive population that other smaller states really depend on that federal money that comes from California. They would definitely not be in favor of California leaving.

There's also the issue with the drought that is going on here, we get a good portion of our water from the runoff from the Colorado river, that would become complicated if we left the union. There's of course also the issue with military bases and the like. I also believe we'd have to pay our share of the national debt before the state was allowed to leave. So there are issues with the prospect that would need to be ironed out, and they are significant issues.

However, if those things were to be solved, then California would be in a pretty unique place as definitely being able to survive on our own. We have the 6th largest economy in the world, a thriving tech empire up north, and a population of about 40 million people. We'd be able to survive just fine on our own, though there would obviously be difficult decisions such as how to handle immigration. It would also be interesting if other western states were to join us. There was also talk of Washington and Oregon seceding as well. And then the three states could create a new nation together. Canada also said that if those three states were to secede, then we'd be welcome to join them.

Anyways, in short - it's interesting to think about, but ultimately such a vote would be little more than symbolic, the rest of the nation would suffer quite a bit if a state as large as California left and wouldn't let it happen, and California itself would have to deal with pretty significant issues. Won't happen.

It's also worth noting that the idea of secession wasn't created just a few weeks ago when Trump won, there has been a group pushing for it for a couple years now.


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Makes you think though, when Bugs Bunny cut off Florida..did he cut off the wrong state?


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I'm okay with that. California currently contributes more to the country than it takes in return, and if it seceded it'd be the 7th richest country on Earth, right above France.

It'd never happen though. The government would slap our shit faster than we did to the South if as vital a state as CA tried to secede.


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Plus I'm sure Lena Dunham would move there as well. This is just all roses to me.

Go on California, I dare ya. Do it.


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IMO, states that take out more than they put in should be barred from voting in the election, until they're able to contribute instead of leaching. Which any true conservative should agree with, since they're so against welfare and handouts and such.


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IMO, states that take out more than they put in should be barred from voting in the election, until they're able to contribute instead of leaching. Which any true conservative should agree with, since they're so against welfare and handouts and such.


Awesome, so then most illegals are out as well, correct? On average they take out more than they put in.


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While researching the Calexit thing I also stumbled upon a graph that showed how all the states in the country contribute or receive when it comes to the federal money they take/give.

It was interesting, and amusing, to see that most of the states that receive most money from the federal government are deep red states.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mo...overnment/2700/


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Awesome, so then most illegals are out as well, correct? On average they take out more than they put in.


Illegals can't vote, sport. Contrary to what Fox News and Breitbart tell you, illegals by and large put more into the economy than they take out in the form of cheap labor.


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Illegals can't vote, sport. Contrary to what Fox News and Breitbart tell you, illegals by and large put more into the economy than they take out in the form of cheap labor.


Hmm no, they take in more than they put out on average. So illegals need to be gone then, okie dokie.

You see it's an all or nothing thing. No cherry picking, none of that.


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Brick wall time I guess.


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No, but if we're going to whine about taking more than you put in, we apply it all across the board, agreed?


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While researching the Calexit thing I also stumbled upon a graph that showed how all the states in the country contribute or receive when it comes to the federal money they take/give.

It was interesting, and amusing, to see that most of the states that receive most money from the federal government are deep red states.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mo...overnment/2700/


1-40 should just be barred from voting until they get their shit together and stop leeching.

#endthewelfarestate


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Would be interesting to see how long Caifunny's economy would last after cause I would be willing to bet a bunch of companies would leave, abliet most of the companies there are already hard core Leftist. Like All of Hollywood and a good chunk of the tech comps. That and it would probably go full on Dictator ship if it did leave. Of course all U.S Military would have to leave. I am sure the Calif Citizens could defend themselves quite nicely. I say they should go for it. I do wonder tho what those 3 or 4 counties in North Calif would go with or stay with the rest of the nation.


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NJ has you beat. isn't it great to live in states that can afford to elect idiot governers?


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NJ has you beat. isn't it great to live in states that can afford to elect idiot governers?


It's because of your sizeable Mafia presence, giving you the edge. Our criminals are idiots.


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true, but we did beat you with far less land area. 155k square miles vs our 7.5k

but don't be jealous. fourth place is admirable, even considering the ridiculous handicap.

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IMO, states that take out more than they put in should be barred from voting in the election, until they're able to contribute instead of leaching. Which any true conservative should agree with, since they're so against welfare and handouts and such.


What about individual people that take out more than they put in, should they be allowed to vote?


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