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Pre-suit Rumlow isn't really Crossbones and he has too little feats to judge this match properly. But if he's anything like top agents such as May or Ward then Rumlow wins.
Rumlow's implied skill would suggest he is pretty damn good (before being revealed as an infiltrator, he was not just simply a high ranking SHIELD agent, but part of Cap's personal strike team). But, pre-suit, he has nearly no feats. Pretty much the only feats he has is schooling Sam in H2H, and being the only person in the elevator scene, from CA:TWS, to land hits on Cap, as well as avoid some of Cap's hits.
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If this is pre-Crossbones Rumlow, Bane takes him down H2H rather easily. If this is armored Crossbones from CW, he is just too much for Bane and will win.
I don't think Bane can take down Rumlow easily, not sure he can even take him down. All the top end SHIELD agents have better h2h skill feats than Bane, if not quite the same strength feats. Rumlow looked like a very high end agent and we can assume his skill rivals those of BW, May or Ward.
Rumlow was a close match with Falcon in a fight, who I dont think of as a world class H2H fighter. Bane beat down Batman pretty solidly, taking all of his hits, smashing through his armored form and cowl, and lifting and breaking him in half. I dont see normal Rumlow being all that close to Bane, physically or skill-wise.
Falcon got completely beat up by Rumlow. Though we didn't see much of their fight, the ending made it clear it wasn't a close fight at all. Bane beat up a retired Batman who hasn't been fighting for years.
I didnt see it that way, Rumlow "might" have had a small lead in his fight with Falcon at the end of CW, but Sam was still up and in fighting shape when the helicarrier broke up their fight. Bane IMHO would have handled Sam in a H2H fight without too much trouble. The guy was a beast physically, with virtual superhuman strength and toughness, as well as being a highly trained member of the League Of Assassins.
Agreed, Rumlow had an advantage, but it wasnt a Major one to me, and Sam had already spent a while fighting as Falcon before being shot down in a dangerous manner. He was far from his full strength, where Rumlow was.
Saying Sam was "far" from full strength is an assumption. We aren't shown anything to indicate he was seriously hurt or tired before his fight with Brock. And Rumlow had also been hunting the SHIELD agents who were trying to resist, before that fight.
And, in the comic, we only see Sam landing one punch, after the suckerpunch at the beginning (hence the mark on Brock's forehead). But, other than that, Brock was holding the advantage.
Also, remember the elevator scene from TWS. Literally none of the other guys in the elevator managed to land even one clean strike on Cap (Seriously, go check it out. After breaking loose from the proverbial dogpile, Steve blocks, dodges or parries every other attack, with the exception of some of Brock's). So, that in itself indicates he is well above average.
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Last edited by TheVaultDweller on Jan 14th, 2017 at 06:28 AM
Its not an assumption, its pretty much factual, if youre using common sense. Falcon did quite a bit helping Cap before crashing down and then fighting Rumlow, who was at full strength then. Its pretty clear from what we saw previouslt that Sam was not in peak condition at the time of their fight, and while yes Rumlow did have the advantage, their fight wasnt a slaughter.
Bane is at peak health here, and at full strength, and he would trounce Sam there without any trouble, doing so much easier than Rumlow did, again, IMHO.
It is an assumption. "Far from full strength" indicates that he should be visibly seriously tired/hurt etc., which he was not shown to be. He had one mild crash (which was more of a tumble), which did not seem to affect him much. His wings were screwed because Bucky yanked one off. And he landed with a parachute. Now, yes, "not at peak" I can go along with. But he still seemed in fighting shape.
Eh, I think Bane would beat Sam, but I don't see him "trouncing" him. Sam isn't exactly slow. He did manage to dodge a surprise metal arm blow from the Winter Soldier, in CA:CW.
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Also, remember, Rumlow is a vindictive jacka$$. He was likely intentionally drawing things out, because he wanted to give Sam his "lesson in pain". Though this, I admit, is an assumption on my part, based on his personality.
On a random note... Poor Sam. He does always seem to get the short end. He gets used as a punching bag a lot, because he is often matched against people above his paygrade. Winter Soldier, Spiderman, Ant-Man etc.
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Last edited by TheVaultDweller on Jan 14th, 2017 at 06:41 AM
That and their(Bane/Baleman) fight choreography looks like total dogsh!t.
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