Hard fight, but honestly, Cap could handle Hulk pretty well...Tony's new suit was enduring direct attacks from the IG...Ragnarok Thor won't be an issue.
IM withstood a few attacks from the IG but it obviously hurt him. Problem is it seems his armor isn't that great against melee weapons since Thanos was able to jam IM's sword right through him. All the Revengers have melee weapons (Thor seemingly creates swords from his lightning). His armor is able to self heal a bit but it's limited. His suit will eventually get destroyed.
BP despite his nanosuit was still hurt by a single hit from a rhino. He won't be able to withstand too many hits from any of the Revengers. Thanos also proved that vibranium was not indestructible. There's a good chance that the Revengers' weapons (all of which are made for beings much stronger than humans) can damage BP's suit.
Cap is going to be a tough one, but in the end he doesn't have the same lightning control as Thor does and there's a good chance Thor can simply take Mjolnir from him. Once he's separated from Mjolnir a good shot from any of the Revengers should take him out.
Note that I'm not saying this is an easy fight. Cap's team will definitely put up a fight. In the end though they're just not as durable since their defense is dependent on their equipment whereas the Revengers are naturally tough. Their power output isn't quite that great either.
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Ragnarok Thor will certainly go for Mjolnir, and Hulk should still be greater than IM, given the trouble Cull Obsidian gave him.
BP might put up a fight against Valkyrie, but honestly hes playing above his pay grade here, and even if he manages to hold his own against an elite Asgardian, Thor or Hulk only need to get one good hit on him and hes done.
And how will Thor bring down Nanosuit tony? Nanosuit Tony was able to withstand an asteroid falling on him! And again, it was withstanding direct attacks from the power stone! If this was SB Thor, then things would change, but Ragnarok Thor has no real feats to stop this version of IM.
BP is the weak link here I agree.
Cap handled Thanos, he will handle Hulk pretty well, after that, Valkyrie will follow.
Cap is worthy, we don't know if Thor would be able to call unto Mjolnir... It's mere speculation. Despite this, the purpose of including EG Cap is for him to be able to use Mjolnir, so, base on that alone it wouldn't make sense if Thor could just remove Mjolnir from Cap's hands.
By chopping him up with swords. Pretty sure Thor's swords are at least equal, if not greater than Tony's sword. Or just slowly destroying his armor with his barehands like he did last time. We already know Tony's nanosuit is susceptible to melee damage. Heck, Cull Obsidian was giving him a hard time. Unless he's created a brand new metal then his armor should still be made of similar material from his other suits. The main difference is that now it has a bit of self healing included in it.
Sure, he withstood getting hit with chunks of an asteroid (not an entire asteroid), big deal. Thor survived the Sokovia blast and a Neutron star. I don't recall IM ever withstanding that kind of damage.
Cap didn't handle Thanos. He gave him a good fight for about 40 seconds then got his ass handed to him. I mean, it was still an impressive feat but nowhere near as great as you make it sound like.
He can definitely run circles around Hulk but he doesn't have enough firepower to KO Hulk before one of his teammates takes care of BP and then tag teams him. And that's only if he goes up against Hulk.
Bottom line is, BP will be the first one to go down here. And though Cap and Tony will put up a fight, it will essentially end up being a 3 on 2 fight and they can't win that.
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Swords? Are swords standard gear for Ragnarok Thor? I don't think so. Thor crushed a much weaker version of Tony's suit.
The Neutron star feat deals with radiation and heat energy, not with forces. The Sokovia blast was impressive, but Thor was holding Mjolnir in between, which we all know has shielding properties.
Kurse casted a much smaller rock at Thor with significant effects on this one.
Lol, Mjolnir has always had a pretty good effect on Hulk. And you forget that Thanos dismantled Hulk in about 10s (plus Thanos wasn't even pissed). So, Cap keeping up with the Mad Titan IS A HELL OF A FEAT.
I bet to say that Cap can defeat both Hulk and Valkyrie.
Check the bridge fight in Ragnarok. Thor creates swords from his lightning. So are you claiming that Tony invented a newer, stronger metal that he used for his new suit then?
Lol at using Mjolnir as a shield. The Sokovia blast decimated an entire floating city. There's no way a hammer with about a square foot of surface area could protect Thor's entire body from a blast like that. This is ridiculous lowballing even for you.
And yes, Thor was hurt when Kurse threw that rock at him. He wasn't injured though, and was able to continue functioning after it. Besides, let's not pretend that those asteroid chunks didn't hurt Tony. Again, Tony struggled against Cull Obsidian. Stop sidestepping that.
Mjolnir can definitely hurt Hulk but you're going to have to prove that it can KO him before Valkyrie ends up skewering BP. You're also ignoring the fact that Thor can simply take away Mjolnir from Cap, which is probably the first thing he'll do. Once that happens then Cap will be the weakest link here.
There's no guarantee that Cap will pair off with Hulk and Tony will pair off with Thor. The bigger probability is that Thor will pair off with Cap due to Mjolnir, Tony will target Hulk since he knows how to counter Hulk best, and Valkyrie will be left with BP.
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Those were swords empowered by Thor's lightning, but not really his gear, nor did he created them. So, I don't think they are "standard gear".
We go by feats, Tony's new suit is definitely more resistant than Mk3 suit.
The asteroid that impacted Tony was at least 10x bigger than the rock Kurse casted at Thor! Tony was fine wasn't him? His suit wasn't significantly damaged and was able to further endure direct energy attacks from the PS.
Lowballing? PFFF.. You forget that Mjolnir protected Thor from Surtur's flamming sword. There's no way that the actual metal would protect Thor from that, so, I guess the hammer makes some sort of shield. It's not a matter of the hammer's head being wide.
Either way, I never claimed that Tony would outright defeat Thor...But he can hold him long enough for Cap to defeat Hulk and Valkyrie, then it's 2 vs 1.
There is no evidence to claim that Thor can remove Mjolnir from a worthy person...So it won't pass to be.
Cap uses Mjolnir to send Hulk flying away a couple of meters neutralizing him for a bit (just like Thor did in Av1 and on Sakaar), then he turns arround and uses lightning to K.O or kill Valkyrie, protecting BP. After that, he can spend the rest of the fight K.Oing Hulk and attacking Thor.
You just said yourself that Thor used his lightning to make those swords. Lightning is standard "gear" for Ragnarok Thor ain't it? Therefore he can create those swords anytime he wishes.
Thor had to twirl Mjolnir to shield himself from Surtur's flame. Please provide proof that he twirled Mjolnir in similar fashion to protect himself from the Sokovia blast.
IM's suit was damaged multiple times in IW. The only reason it still seemed to look undamaged was because it was able to repair itself, not because he was using some kind of super metal that was impervious to damage. That asteroid hit knocked out IM for about an entire minute.
Thor can still telepathically call Mjolnir back to him despite already having been used by Cap as shown in Endgame. If you want to claim that Thor cannot call it back to him because Cap is wielding it, that's up to you to prove.
Anyway, stop acting like Cap will face off against Hulk and Tony against Thor. That's not the likely scenario here. And even if it does go down like that, Valkyrie will still end her fight with BP faster than any of them, which means it's still a 3 on 2 fight.
Dude seriously no Thor didn't create swords out of lightning. Those were the sane type of swords that the zombie Asgardians were using. Thor just took the swords from them and channelled lightning through them. C'mon man
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Really now? Because I rewatched that scene and nowhere do I see him picking up those swords. If you also look at the swords, they're way better in quality and condition than what the undead Asgardians use.
Is it really that difficult to think he can do something like that considering that both Hela and Loki can seemingly conjure weapons from thin air?
Edit: I just rewatched it again. At the 1:32 minute mark you'll see him generate the sword:
Sure I'm the one turning h1 here? I am pretty much sure I never said that Thor created the swords.
As HulkisHulk has already stated, and so do I, the swords were never Thor's. The fact that Thor "empowered" the swords with his lightning doesn't make them his, nor does it mean he created them!
Well, as things happen to be, IM was holding Sokovia when it exploded, just like Thor was standing over Sokovia. I call it a tie
Anda again, the asteroid was at least 10x bigger than the one Kurse used, c'mon!
Captain America is worthy, in that aspect, he can use Mjolnir. If you want to claim that Thor can remove Mjolnir from Cap's hand, then the burden is on you!
I think it's the most logical strategy Cap would pull out (He is a good strategist in the end).
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