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Vs Astral Regulator ( see details )

It’s stated the AR is more powerful than the infinity gems etc.

1. In the marvel universe What is more powerful than the astral regulator?

2. Also in DC universe is anything more powerful than it ?

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HOTI.

Many artifact.


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The Astral Regulators are devices that keeps the timelines separate and the multiverse stable.

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When Thanos got his hand on one he started to absorb the various cosmic beings. Starting with Death.

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The next time we see him he has had further absorbed the Stranger, Master Order, Lord Chaos, Kronos, Master of Hate, Mistress Love and the Infinity Gems.

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Then he absorbs Eternity and Infinity.

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And the last cosmic being he absorbs is the Living Tribunal.

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He then merges with his future self who's done all of this in his reality.

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So to answer your questions.
  1. The Astral Regulator doesn't make the wielder powerful by itself, but it allows the wielder to destabilize reality and gain power by absorbing the various cosmic abstracts. Which made Thanos stronger than the One-Above-All and by extension any particular artifact.
  2. DC tends to have its power confined to beings rather than artifacts, and the only versatile artifacts I'm aware of is the Motherbox, which is a Cosmic Cube rip-off, and the Worlogog, which is a interactive map of space-time. But I'd consider them to be around the level of a Cosmic Cube.

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Originally posted by Astner
The Astral Regulators are devices that keeps the timelines separate and the multiverse stable.

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When Thanos got his hand on one he started to absorb the various cosmic beings. Starting with Death.

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The next time we see him he has had further absorbed the Stranger, Master Order, Lord Chaos, Kronos, Master of Hate, Mistress Love and the Infinity Gems.

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Then he absorbs Eternity and Infinity.

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And the last cosmic being he absorbs is the Living Tribunal.

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He then merges with his future self who's done all of this in his reality.

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So to answer your questions.
  1. The Astral Regulator doesn't make the wielder powerful by itself, but it allows the wielder to destabilize reality and gain power by absorbing the various cosmic abstracts. Which made Thanos stronger than the One-Above-All and by extension any particular artifact.
  2. DC tends to have its power confined to beings rather than artifacts, and the only versatile artifacts I'm aware of is the Motherbox, which is a Cosmic Cube rip-off, and the Worlogog, which is a interactive map of space-time. But I'd consider them to be around the level of a Cosmic Cube.

How's mother box a CCU rip off? Also Worloggog is more powerful than CCU.


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How's mother box a CCU rip off?

They're both cube-shaped wish-granting machines operating on a cosmic scale and the Cosmic Cube was created first.

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Also Worloggog is more powerful than CCU.

The Worlogog grants the wielder some degree of control over space and time. Compare that to the Infinity Gauntlet which grants not only complete control over space and time, but also various other facets like the mind and soul. And the only motivation for it being more powerful than the Cosmic Cube is because we're explicitly told that is the case.

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Miracle Machine.

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Miracle Machine.

Darkseid referred to the Miracle Machine as a bootleg Mother Box.

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They're both cube-shaped wish-granting machines operating on a cosmic scale and the Cosmic Cube was created first.


Mother box is not a wish granting machine though.
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The Worlogog grants the wielder some degree of control over space and time. Compare that to the Infinity Gauntlet which grants not only complete control over space and time, but also various other facets like the mind and soul. And the only motivation for it being more powerful than the Cosmic Cube is because we're explicitly told that is the case.


Except Worloggog gives complete control over time and space as well. Extant has used it to completely wipe out an entire universe and create a new one in its place with entire different rules of reality and that was with an incomplete Worloggog. Hourman has used it to freeze a big bang in its place.

Neither IG or CCU have ever done so.


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Darkseid referred to the Miracle Machine as a bootleg Mother Box.

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What Darkseid says is irrelevant. Miracle Machine rewrote entire DC multiverse, sphere of gods and even Monitor space with just a wish.

That's more powerful than even HOTI.


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Mother box is not a wish granting machine though.

Then what is it?

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Except Worloggog gives complete control over time and space as well. Extant has used it to completely wipe out an entire universe and create a new one in its place with entire different rules of reality and that was with an incomplete Worloggog. Hourman has used it to freeze a big bang in its place.

I haven't read Zero Hour so I can't comment on that.

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Neither IG or CCU have ever done so.

Specifically, no. But in the 2015 Silver Surfer series the power of the Shaper of World—who is a sentient Cosmic Cube—were used to recreate the universe.

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What Darkseid says is irrelevant. Miracle Machine rewrote entire DC multiverse, sphere of gods and even Monitor space with just a wish.

When?

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if we talking strictly artifacts there is nothing in marvel or dc more powerful than regulator

if you change the question from anything to anyone there are a lot of people who are more powerful


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Miracle Machine is artifact to change the narrative of DC universe.
So,If Regulator can't change the meta narrative of Marvel omniverse, Miracle Machine is more powerful because it can change DC omniverse on most fundammental level.

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Then what is it?


I haven't read Zero Hour so I can't comment on that.


Specifically, no. But in the 2015 Silver Surfer series the power of the Shaper of World—who is a sentient Cosmic Cube—were used to recreate the universe.


When?

They are supercomputers which have infinite knowledge, not wish granting /reality altering devices.

I'm talking about JSA arc where Extant used Worloggog to create an entire new reality with different rules of reality.

Yes, but shaper's power was exhausted and they used already existing matter to reshape an alternate universe. It did not replace an already existing universe.

Final Crisis 7. Darkseid had become everything in space and time. MM reversed it and erased entire monitor race from existence by Superman's wish of a happy ending.


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