Because it is powered by the story/idea of Superman as most fundamental and essential force in entire DC omniverse.
It has been confirmed by not only Final crisis but many story.
Perpetua was as powerful as a being who embodied the entire connective story of the entire DC Multiverse across all crises (including Superman). Mandrakk was attempting to consume all stories and lost to the story of Superman (in a ridiculously close fight), God WW embodied all stories in DC including Superman and Perpetua is on her level. Mandrakk has also been stated to be a “Scion” of Perpetua, implying Perpetua is superior.
God WW >/~ Darkest Knight >/~ Perpetua >>>>> Mandrakk/CAS.
Edit: I mean, even Barbatos’ shenanigans were destroying The Dreaming according to Dream of The Endless and threatened to end all stories forever, and Perpetua is “a hundred times more powerful than Barbatos ever was”.
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There are a select few characters in mainstream DC who could possibly overcome the fundamental concept/story/essence of Superman made manifest in the form of Thought-Robot... and Perpetua isn't one of them, imo.
This is sort of backed by the fact that Dr. Manhattan(who was heavily indicated to be more powerful than Mxy, and a peer of Perpetua) believed that it was fully possible for Superman to actually kill him -- the multiverse's greatest antibody, and all that. /shrug
Mandrakk is a direct agent of the Overvoid and specifically its first son [i.e. Lucifer]. He's the entropic hyper-story. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the most powerful of all its agents in the entire Omniverse.
Perpetua/Dr. Manhattan are agents of story [crisis energy/connectivity energy]. Mandrakk, by definition, is the devourer of both. And the only story that can match him is the one that can become as powerful as the threat -- that of Superman, in its pure thought essence, through the Thought Robot. Mandrakk created the only thing powerful enough to defeat himself.
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This doesn”t really change the fact that DK (who Perpetua was a peer of) was matching God WW, who embodied the fundamental creative force of all stories in DC (including Superman”s) in a very literal sense. Mandrakk (who matched CAS and ultimately caused him to fall apart in the end) was essentially trying to become what God WW became: a being housing the power of all stories in the DC Multiverse.
Furthermore, God WW not only wielded the power of the multiverse”s greatest antibody, she wielded the connective story of Superman united across ALL crises, timelines, etc. So if anything, the concept of Superman”s story as embodied in Thought Robot is lesser than its embodiment in WW.
I also don”t know how you get around Mandrakk being explicitly stated to be a “Scion” of Perpetua.
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Mandrakk”s entire backstory as an agent of the Overvoid because the Overvoid didn”t understand the concept of story has essentially been retconned to shit in modern DC cosmology. Mandrakk is explicitly stated to be a “Scion” of Perpetua, which would not be the case of Mandrakk was a higher being supreme in the omniversal hierarchy. And he”s certainly not Lucifer.
Mandrakk was consuming stories, sure, but even Barbatos” shenanigans were threatening to destroy the Dreaming according to Dream of the Endless, and thus “all stories, forever.” And DK”s battle with Perpetua was going to collapse the entire DC Multiverse, including its higher dimensions, Hypertime, and all stories forever. I don”t recall Mandrakk”s fight with Thought Robot having nearly such ramifications.
Furthermore (and imo most damning for Mandrakk here) is that Perpetua”s battle with DK was so colossal that it actually rippled through the Overvoid and drew the attention of the Chronicler and The Hand in the Greater Omniverse. No such attention was paid to Mandrakk vs Thought Robot.
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Another aspect to this debate I thought of if you”re trying to reconcile the cosmologies is that while Mandrakk falling into the Overvoid causes him (and the very idea of him) to be erased utterly, Perpetua can easily traverse the Overvoid and can even tear off pieces of the Overvoid and turn them into flesh. The Brothers Three are literally pieces of the Overvoid rent into flesh by Perpetua.
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That's because Mandrakk and Thought Robot are not about feats, they're ideas. One is the entropy of story, the other is the ultimate protector in its purest sense given form.
Perpetua and Dr. Manhattan are yin and yang. They're two types of story engines-- the ones based on Crisis energy vs Anti-Crisis energy. Present vs Continuity. Reboots v Legacy.
Overmonitor found a flaw in the void. The Source grey beards and Perpetua was that flaw.
Snyder' cosmology can easily exist with Morrison's.
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@Phil: None of that answers my qualms regarding the retconning to Mandrakk”s backstory, him being stated to be a “Scion” of Perpetua, or Mandrakk being unable to traverse/exist in the Overvoid while Perpetua can both traverse the Overvoid and manipulate it.
I also don”t understand this idea that because Mandrakk is an eater of story, he is conceptually beyond Perpetua. Connective energy (a concept you believe Mandrakk transcends) is literally the energy born from the Source. There”s functionally no difference between “Mandrakk eats stories, he”s beyond Perpetua” and “Mandrakk eats stories, he”s beyond The Source”.
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At the time when Death of the New Gods happened, Mandrakk IS beyond the source.
What proof is there the Source entity in DOTNG is < Un Crisis Perpetua?
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