I am going to have to go with Maul. He has had more and in my opinion better training since Ben died,he left yoda early and then there is the lack of time that Maul had to perfect his powers. Maul has Luke outmatched.
Maul takes Luke in the saber fight, but in terms of Force it's hard to tell. Luke's powers weren't well developed in ROTJ, although not much is known about Maul's powers, he might atleast have Lightning (I think it's a trait that Sid's passes on to his students.) Soo I go with Maul.
Vader was not going all out since he wanted to convert Luke to the dark side.(i believe he recognizes this fact in another book that vader could have beat him) Luke used the darkside because vader was taunting him and Maul's style does not involve taunting. Maul takes this
Luke will definitely be overwhelmed by Maul.
Skywalker has never faced an opponent who wields a double-bladed saber by this time, I think he will be taken aback. Add to this, that Maul is one of the best fighters ever, and has mastered this weapon to a very, very high degree, and that by RotJ Luke is still very unexperienced and has not untapped half of his true potential. In my opinion, Luke's doomed.
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1) More adept in the force than maul
Evidence: in ROTJ he forced choked those 2 gammoreans outside of jabab's den with almost no effort, when maul had'nt done anything nearly as impressive with the force, if so he would have been able to intercept obiwans force jump in tpm when obi killed him.
2) more physical strength.
Evidence: in ROTJ luke went toe to toe with vader, both using djem so and he actually made vader back up. that speaks to his physical strength, whereas maul barely beat an old man.
3) saber style
djem so beats juyo. and as we see when padawan obi broke his lighstaff in half his saber style was like a deer caught in the headlights when forced to use one blade. so if a padawan obi could cut his blade in half then a jedi knight luke could definitely do it, then its all in lukes favor from there.
1) Hmm, are we talking the same luke who forget to use the force to throw a rock? And I remember to see Maul killing a guy with force choke and enduring the pain of a forcel lightning, in the EU, when he fought the black sun...
2) Ahaha, more physical power then Maul? No comments, really...
3) Djem So beats Juyo? Prove me. Really, i want to see 1 evidence about it. And about the rest of the arg, completly pathetic, obi1 broke his staff in 2 after a rage attack that surprised maul, and after that, guess what, maul beat obi-wan. Ah, and I would like you to prove me that jedi knight luke>jedi knight obi1, because in case you forgot TPM obi1 was given the rank of jedi knight after maul's defeat and even qui.gon said he had nothing more to teach him.
Not to mention Obiwan as close to the darkside due to mual killinh Qui-gon. And you have to add to the fact the Luke has never even seen a double bladed lightsaber before (as of rotj) and he probably never even heard of it. Maul is not the type of fighter who taunts his oppenents like Vader did which made him close to turning when he attacked Vader.He will not have that type of rage against Maul.
Yes, but Maul did not usually taunt his opponents, he was taught not to. I believe that one of the few (if not the only time) Maul has taunted an opponent was in this occasion.
Ironically enough, this only taunt led him to his death.
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Um in the comic he taunted but the original one did not taunt all hell he did not talk all in his duel with obiwan and qui gon.
Exactly that is the only fight in which I have seen him taunt was his fight with Vader he was not taunting in episode one. And I don't recall him saying to much in his other comic fights.
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1) luke was using the force to read vaders mind "your thoughts betray you". not to mention as before the gammorean example. these are clear signs of luke's vast adeptness in the force. if maul was so powerful in the force he would have used some of those other force powers against the jedi.
2) you give no comments because there are none to make. lukes strength could match that of vaders, maul may be athletic but he is not that strong, otherwise he wouldnt have needed to force push obi wan into the hole, he wouldve been able to overwhelm him in the saberlock.
3) first of all djem so is pretty much the most offesnsive style there is, second of all we see how well maul does when he is being charged. maul's response to being charged is getting his saber cut in half then himself cut in half. by ROTJ luke had been trained by obi wan and yoda who were both better than maul. djem so would end the deul faster. as we see in anakin v dooku djem so > makashi. in dooku v yoda makshi = ataro. in obi v maul ataro > juyo. so djem so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>juyo.
Are you serious? By TPM, Maul was an established Sith warrior. He didn't use the force because he preferred his double bladed saber. By ROTJ, Luke barely beat Vader, and only then because Vader was on the defensive. (If you'll note in ESB, after Luke strikes Vader, he gets pissed, and that's when Luke's hand comes off. You can even hear it in his voice.)
Luke did not have the finesse that Maul did. Maul wins. Get over it.
well this "warrior" of yours (and please site where you found that status) did not have the physical strength to win a saberlock with obi wan. but as you see luke iits the fact that luke was able to get vader on the defensive that speaks to luke's strength.
Ok, let me use your logic: Obi-Wan wins against anakin, soresu>djem so; anakin wins against dooku, djem so>soresu; dooku win against obi-wan, makashi>soresu. Let's continue? Windu beats Sidious, juyo>ataru, maul beats vader, juyo>djem so. Dooku beats anakin, makashi>ataru, yoda beats dooku, ataru>makashi. Do you see how STUPID is this logic? Besides djem so isn't the most offensive style of the attack, djem so is on ONE of the most offensive styles, and it's based on strenght. But there are also ataru, based on acrobatics, or juyo, based on agressivity and speed. Ah, and maul did beat obi1, and he was injured when he beat both jedis.
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