god gave us a free will... thats why he wont stop anyone from a murder cause then this person would have no longer a free will... so... he created us... i think he has the right to judge us, because he gave all those rules how we should live and could live in harmony and we just ignore these rules and do what we like to do... so he has the right to judge us because we didnt keep the rules
He has a right to shut the **** up, its granted tol him in the constitution. Maybe he and Twelve other godws can judge another god but no humans that is unfair.
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the construction "man" is perfect. no it isnt. it is not perfect anymore. it was perfect as there was no sin, in paradise. everything that seems to be not perfect is not perfect because we dont live as god claimed adam and eve to live their lifes.
when the devil made eve sin, god could have fought the sin at once by eliminating the devil and eve. but god liked so much what he created, so he wasnt able to eliminate adam and eve. in this story you see again this free will thing.... god is all-knowing so he sure knew and saw and heard when eve ate the fruit. but he gave man a free will so he didnt stop her before eating it.
as god appreciates fairness he couldnt say "well im making an exception here, eve can live on"...
thats a point of pedagogy here. if a child does something it isnt allowed to, the mother makes an exception and doesnt punish her child (i dont mean physical punishment though the result may be reached too, but thats not the point here) ... if she doesnt punish her child however... the child will just repeat what it has done, when it likes too...
so god had to punish eve or else she would have eaten the forbidden fruit again and again.
so he had to make a fair way of allowing eve to live on. thats why sin and man co-exist now. there is no imperfectness just a less suitable way of use of "man"...
our gods are as fickle and inconsistent as we are.... of our gods, only Hel judges anyone, giving reward for all the good you did, and punishment for all the evil... we don't have this black and white split between good and evil, but acknowledge that we have in each of us the capacity for both... men and gods alike....
my statement was from the christian point of view because the topic seemed to mean the christian god.... and then humans are just perfect but with the influence of evil we start doing evil things and because weve got a free will we could decide to stop doing evil things and pray for remission for the bad things weve already done... if we do not we have still something bad and evil in us for what we didnt pray for remission to god and so he doesnt care anymore if we die or live on...
he created an imperfect being nonetheless, if they were perfect they wouldn't have gone for the forbidden fruit and so creating sin. So we get screwed over time after time because god made an imperfect being and is punishing us for it.
god could also have eliminated the devil before he went to eve... or even better, never accepted/created/whatever him as an angel if he knew in his all mighty power that he would fall and become the devil.
there is a big difference between letting your kid do something it's not supposed to and screwing up menkind till eternity for a mistake one person did millenia ago, nice god that is!
sure we are build perfect... the human body and mind is just perfect. why wouldnt it be perfect if we eat the forbidden fruit? thats the point of a free will. we can choose to either live with god or with the devil. if we wouldnt be able to choose the life with the devil (because of much more intelligence which would let us see a life with the devil as crap) we would have no free will since our destination is to decide between god and the devil. we are just perfect for this assignment, because as i said, if we wouldnt choose the devil (at least the coice has to be there), we would have no free will in this aspect and we would mistake our destination (the choice).
i dont know why god didnt you dont know either, but that doesnt change a thing because we still are responsible for what we do.
no god isnt screwing up menkind! that are we ourselves... god gave us rules. if we were all behaving after these rules we all were happy (cause we wouldnt do any sin and would all live in harmony).
God punishing Adam and Eve for eating from the Tree of Knowledge is equivocal to putting a three year old child in a room with a knife and punishing him when he cuts himself.
God created a world without sin and Adam and Eve without knowledge of good and evil. If Eve had no knowledge of good and evil or right and wrong, how can she punished? If I put a three year old child in a room with a knife and told him not to play with it, should I be surprised when he does or punish him when he hurts himself as the result of my own negligence?
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