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UltimateStryfe
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Omega, Alpha, Beta, Epsilon-Delta levels

There seems to be a little confusion over what are the requirements for being an Omega-level mutant.
I personally think Gambit has omega potential.
I also have a theory that complete control over something (telekinesis, cryokinesis) could qualify one as having omega potential.
What do you guys think?

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Official list of currently identified Omega-Level Mutants

Elixer
Iceman
Jean Grey
Rachel Grey
Mr. M
Franklin Richards
Quentin Quire
Vulcan

Alpha-Level Mutants

Apocalypse
his horseman
Angel (even before becoming Archangel)
Beast
Professor X
Magneto
Cyclops
Havok
The Living Monolith and basically the rest of the Twelve (minus the omegas already listed)

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Use the search function, pleeease!!!
This topic has been discussed a thousand times before.


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idk, have epsilon and delta level mutants ever been mentioned. Im not sure if they even exist, i mean if Beta's are passive, imagine what lower powered mutants would be like


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epsilon-delta was a label used only once, and seemed to be sentinel-speak for "latent" mutants.

complete control over something doesn't denote omega potential. the only known qualifiers for omega potential are a) the ability to transcend the boundaries of human existence [in a manner that they can "consciously explore the metaphysical," not just existing without a human body,] and b) they're labeled an omega in an actual comic. otherwise, it's tough shit for fan speculation.


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so how does Iceman consciously explore the metaphysical?

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who says he has yet? the fact that he can exist within virtually any body of moisture, consciously, and that his potential is labeled "infinite" have defined him as an omega. whether or not he's come to meet the "standard" is irrelevant. he can, and most likely will, eventually.


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gambit is not a omga mutant at all. he was stated at a alpha mutant same as wolverien magento scot and even alex if i recall is only a alpha.
u are born a omga u may not use the power to the extent u should but boby is a perfect example he ahs always been omega he just never realized his potential till now.

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gambit is not a omga mutant at all. he was stated at a alpha mutant same as wolverien magento scot and even alex if i recall is only a alpha.
u are born a omga u may not use the power to the extent u should but boby is a perfect example he ahs always been omega he just never realized his potential till now.


When was Gambit, or Wolverine ever mentioned as an Alpha level mutant?


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When was Gambit, or Wolverine ever mentioned as an Alpha level mutant?

in AOA

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in the AoA, apocalypse's "chosen" were all alphas. some of his "forgotten" were also alphas, but not deemed as fit to survive.

also, due to the basic understanding of what an alpha is in relation to a beta, wolverine falls under the alpha blanket.


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What level would Rogue have been at whilst she still possesed the powers of Ms. Marvel?


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rogue's an alpha. her having outside powers doesn't really factor into her baseline genetic makeup.


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in the AoA, apocalypse's "chosen" were all alphas. some of his "forgotten" were also alphas, but not deemed as fit to survive.

also, due to the basic understanding of what an alpha is in relation to a beta, wolverine falls under the alpha blanket.

I not sure if ur sayign wolverine is an apha or not lol, but he stated in AoA to be a alpha and one of the most known at that

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oh well, it seemed that the destiny to control all kinetic energy seem infinite to me...new son!

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I think it's basically what the writers decide. Debates will get us nowhere. If they decide to make Wolverine Omega, he'll be Omega. There isn't necessarily any 'requirements'.

But they really should keep the Omega-Level mutants at a low number. There's too much already. Not everyone can walk around as a living god.

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wolverine's already been labeled an alpha. and alphas can't become omegas. that, and the canon "requirement" is an unending potential to grow in their mutant abilities and exist beyond the physical and metaphysical boundaries of humanity.

and just because the new son had a lot of power didn't mean it was limitless. until that's cleared up, and until gambit's relationship to that level of power (something which seems to be put in jeopardy at the moment,) he's not an omega.


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So, Omega is the most powerful, and alpha is the step down?


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omega is a completely separate ranking system. where alpha > beta > epsilon-delta, in terms of power or overall aid in survival, an omega mutation goes far beyond that. typically, omegas are rather powerful. but, the classic example of this not being the case is iceman, considering he's operated at comfortable levels for years and years and has hardly touched the tip of his potential.

basically, you can't determine who is and who is not an omega due to power levels, and thus omegas can't be weighed against alphas/betas/epsilon-deltas on that scale.


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i think the requirements are:
molecular manipulation, and/or
reality warp over a wide area and/or
invincibility/perpetuation


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