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umm....?
was there some sort of serum scan in there that was supposed to explain away why hulk had his sh!t pushed in? or was the point there WAS no serum scan explaining anything....?
He conveniently ignores the first part of the sentence, however, where Banner says it's for allowing him to control WHEN he changes into Hulk. He only focusses on the second part of the sentence, which is very....weird.
Which contradicts the whole idea that Banner got from the alt. Hulk, which was that Hulk could be released at whim.
Incidentally, Carver also initially claimed that the Hulk Sun God defeated was THAT alt. Hulk, which should tell you how objective he is.
In summary:
Based on the humongous scan I have posted on this page, Carver says that the Hulk was turning gray, and thus, weakening, mid-battle against Sun God, due to the serum he took to enable him to control himself.
My rebuttal: Why would Hulk, just after being punched by Sun God, and whilst screaming (with drool), be throttling back?
Carver: you can clearly see gray patches on Hulk. On top of that, he lost a fight. These two proofs are clear as day. Hulk was obviously weakened.
Me: The serum was designed to enable Hulk to be called forth whenever Banner needed him. In preparation for the fight with the Society. You can see him all green when Strange transports them. The gray patches are due to the red/amber light present on that dying world - evidenced by the colour chart I posted.
Jovian, whilst green, also gets gray patches. Norn changes colour. Panther changes colour. They ALL change colour. It's artistic, nothing more. Why would Hulk, in the midst of a fight, throttle back?
Banner took a serum for the first time that clicked him back to normal if he's pissed. That's a hindrance. Anything that happens between or before a fight that takes its toll on a character is context and makes the showing questionable. He took a serum (first time taking it) that plays a part in his abilities (prevention of anger) so Sun God did not fight a normal Hulk.
So why does Jovian (also green) display the exact same gray patches as Hulk?
Why does Norn/Spectrum have different colouring?
Why do these three examples all follow the colour table I posted?
Why do you ignore the first part of Banner's sentence, that it's to enable him to control when he turns into the Hulk, NOT when he's ALREADY Hulk? Nothing about his words say anything about when he's already Hulk.
Banner: But it gives me some manner of control over when I change... And, for lack of a better term, it allows me to throttle back while green with rage.
Let's first understand how the word throttle was being used, because it seems to be very likely that people aren't coming to the same conclusion. Let's take high speed internet as an example of what being throttled means. For example, if you were given 6 gigs of data for a certain price per month, and you exhausted that amount of data, your ISP, or phone carrier will then resort to throttling your data speed. When Banner states that this is what would happen to him after the procedure was completed, what he is saying is that if he rages out too much, his power would be throttled. Meaning that when he fought Sun God, he was not operating at optimal conditions. This isn't something that should be attempted to slide around. Anyone claiming that the Hulk was at 100% would be incorrect. Sun God fought a nerfed Hulk.
We don't have to get into the color schemes or any of that other shit. What was stated is that if the Hulk exceeded the safeties placed upon him due to plot, he would then begin to regress.
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The language in the scan appears to indicate that Banner would have to CONSCIOUSLY"Throttle" back.
Given that reality why would Banner hold back against a foe as powerful as Sungod? Secondly, why would he not be at optimal levels when he is fighting for his universe's existence?
But let's take your analogy of the high speed Internet.
Banner: But it gives me some manner of control over when I change... And, for lack of a better term, it allows me to throttle back while green with rage.
If you go NEAR your cap, your speed will be throttled. THAT'S where we differ.
If Tony slaps Banner, he can throttle himself back. Like the alt Hulk, if there was a need for Hulk, he will appear. If there is no need, then he can throttle back.
Even when he's green with rage.
But when he's the Hulk, he's the Hulk. No throttle will save you, no control will rein you back. Surfer has tried, ArmCheddon, Inbetweener...but a random doohickey can?
You're also willfully ignoring Jovian, another green skinned character, having the EXACT same grey patches. Moreover, Hulk was ALREADY green when they arrived. So IYO, in the fight for his universe, whilst being beaten, he....throttled back so he could lose?
For your hypothesis to be true, you're relying on two pieces of proof. Half of the dialogue, and the fact he lost.
For mine to be true, I have colour tables showing how colours change under different lights. The fact Jovian exhibits the same colour scheme. . The full dialogue. The character of the Hulk (who wouldn't back down from a fight, certainly not with those stakes). The powerset of the Hulk (which has defied all attempts to control).
You're actually ignoring on panel evidence of colours changing under different light conditions. Norn looks golden, Spectrum, Jovian, Black panther etc....
And as Banner Hulk still has this failsafe, I guess I can go into every Hulk thread and say he loses when the going gets tough. CIS is still on, after all. If he throttles back when his universe is at stake, he'll throttle back when fighting Aquaman, lol.
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Sep 19th, 2016 11:54 PM
And as Banner Hulk still has this failsafe, I guess I can go into every Hulk thread and say he loses when the going gets tough. CIS is still on, after all. If he throttles back when his universe is at stake, he'll throttle back when fighting Aquaman, lol.
