I feel like Az didn't do a good enough job explaining why ChocolateMuesli was wrong, so I will help him out. I will focus more on the debunk here as Az shut him down on the offense.
Red Herring kek
Keep in mind even in your red herring, you're trying to prove that a Padawan Obi-Wan was faster than Qui-Gonn who should be on par in skill with the people you're using. That same Padawan kept up with Darth Maul (a level 8 per your admission), and then postliminary as a master was able to fight with an improved Darth Maul and his brother (likely a level 7 as well). That was below the Kenobi being used in this thread, who was able to fight as fast as Count Dooku (who you conceded pwned Sora Bulq). Yet you still have the audacity to question his speed this same post?
To tackle your actual point:
You're admitting that Kit Fisto may very well be quicker than Kolar. Considering Kolar has no accolades putting him above Kit Fisto in skill - all his accolades actually include Kit for that matter - you have no reason to dispute a skill difference between the two. All you've done is said that Fisto may be faster than Kolar without providing any substance on why Kolar would be on a different tier than Fisto, or why what Az said was wrong.
Which means you've conceded to Kolar's placement being on par with Fisto. A distraction tactic doesn't change that. Neither does it change Fisto doing better than Kolar.
Kolar is at best a tier 7, and everything you're doing is just furthering the gaps between level 7s.
False Dichotomy kek
The problem is:
She was studying both of them, yet she wiped the floor with Fisto (Tier 7 until death), and had severe trouble with Kenobi (Tier 7 as of AOCT and Cestus).
+ how well he did against Dooku in ROTS as opposed to AOTC.
So the conclusion is that Obi-Wan greatly improved while Fisto stuck around that level. Ventress studied both of them, beat Fisto/didn't beat Obi-Wan. All you're doing is just trying to get rid of a feat without sufficient logic or effort. Kenobi while a level 7 did directly better than Fisto - who may very well be faster than anyone you're using - while under the same study Fisto was subjected to. Obi-Wan drastically improved, while Fisto at best was still a 7.
Very brazen of you to dispute the Fisto vs Ventress fight on account of study, yet you find it a great point to use a fight against Bulq - who Windu developed Vapaad with
Bulq didn't do well enough against Windu either; all he did was knock him off balance and exchange some locks with him. Windu was never shown pressed, nor did his disposition change, and when he did realize he needed to be somewhere else, he ended it immediately and fought Ventress while Bulq sat in the same area and watched Mace leave. At least with Ventress, Mace was actually shown to be willing to kill her along with some anger. We also saw rusty Vos fight with Mace while he was testing him. All three fights were nowhere near Mace's best, nor were any shown to really test him.
Chellenging Mace is not the same as fighting to the grave against Mace, as this fight here will be. Bringing up how bad Bulq lost to Dooku doesn't help further the Mace fight either considering how well Kenobi did against Dooku. Even AOTC Kenobi did better than Bulq did for that matter kek!
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Top kek using someone who's a level 8 as an example here. A level 8 who Kenobi held off while fighting Savage as well (who is likely a level 7 judging by his Plo Koon, Anakin/Kenobi, and Ventress fights before he was properly trained). Very ad rem to this thread where Kenobi fights a being above everyone here, along with someone on par and does incredibly well and arguably beats both lmao
That was before Maul had ever fought a Jedi. In fact, he was imagining the droid was a Jedi when Darth Sidious snuck in the room and stole his lightsaber. Maul was then apologetic, disarmed and knew not to move. He then got more powerful and could call on the force more, a move even in that book he likened to speed. If we're going to play Erkan here and assume getting more powerful in the force doesn't mean an increase in speed or perceptions, then that would be analogous to admitting that you are just as fast as a Padawan as you are a Jedi Master - as speed never changes if we follow that path. It's absurd, and under that logic a quote like this:
Would be like saying adolescent Maul would be the same speed as he was, while potentially wielding powers above Sidious.
Maul's increase in power was also mirrored with his speed:
He then gets stronger and is able to react to a Sidious willing to kill him. Which is a little different than a subdued unarmed Maul not being able to track Sidious testing his flinch ability. I'd like to the effort expended was at least on par with the casual effort to kill Fisto.
I should hope I don't have to post the Fisto/Sidious fight.
Now, I wouldn't go as far as Az here and say that Maul would one-shot everyone in this thread, but you can't deny that Maul did vastly better against Palpatine than Fisto did. Yes, I understand this is similar to the Bulq example in that Sheev/Mace weren't going all out, but I'm simply using it as a point of Maul being able to react better while fighting than unarmed trying not to move while being weaker.
Started with a red herring, ended with a red herring. RedMuesli
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