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You're correct. It is insensitive of me to come down hard on those who experience suicide as being selfish. Thanks, Storm.
I am sorry.
It is also hypocritical, to defend one person's subjective experience, and attack another person's. I am frequently hypocritical, and not ashamed to admit that it is a struggle for me.
I will try harder. Reason and logic are not my default positions.
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"Try living it- all of you- before you call my friend selfish or imply that he does not know/use the strength of the human spirit."
I found my friend with his wrists slashed in a bathtub for the simple reason that "his life was bad". Yeah he was going through some very shitty stages but we all do. That happened years ago. If he had stayed, his sadness would be gone. But he chose to kill himself and now his family and friends are still living with the sadness that he isn't here. Think before you lump all of us in the "never experienced" catagory please.
I looked into the open eyes of a dead suicide victim who happened to be my friend. But then again, I guess unless you're the actual suicide victim you can never judge if it's selfish huh?
My twin sister tryed to kill herself but we saved her right before she was going to jump.She spend some months in the hospital and is better now and taking some meds.
It is sad when someone you love kills themself.I wish these people would know that if they need help they should talk to someone about it.Sometimes talking to someone makes it better.JM
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Quite possibly the most sensible post Jackie has ever made, I agree though. As cliched as it is and as compromising to one's character as it can be, talking to someone is better in my opinion than killing yourself.
alpha i had a very similar experience, and i for one second don't believe my friend was selfish, she died, and i miss her every day, but i don't for one second believe she was selfish. She died in my arms, and i dont hate her for it, i hate myself for not kicking in that door quicker or being a better friend.
Depression is a horrible thing, you don't think rationally in that state, nobody does because those feelings overcome them. You think its easy to slit your own wrists? Do you think its something they just do? its not, it takes a lot to go through with it.
jackie is right, if these people stopped and talked to someone it woudl help immensely, but they dont think of it, they dont see an escape from what they are going through, it may seem trivial to us, but to them its hell.
The fact is young people nowadays have so much pressure put on them, some can't take it.
Are they weak? Possibly
Selfish? I don't think so, but i'm sure there are a couple of exceptions.
Maybe i'm taking it too personally, and i apologise if i seem ott.
No, it's different than just "well I got teased at school that sucked I'm going to go kill myself," it's a hell of a lot worse than it sounds. Most of the time people are depressed anyways, and being bullied and shit makes the depression worse. I've been there and can safely say it's probably the most awful thing I've been through in my life. You'll be feeling kinda okay for a while, then somebody will start pestering you or you find out you failed physics and you're right back at the bottom of it where you started. I don't remember ever thinking about killing myself, but I can see how if it was bad enough a person might want to.
There are two different kinds of suicide: the serious kind and the gothic kind. The gothic kind is the one where whiney little fake depressed teenagers sit around complaining about how bad their life is just because they think it's cool. Then they go home and dig up a dull razor to scratch their arms up with and call it attempted suicide. If somebody really wants to kill themselves, they won't talk about it, and they can find a way to do it before the paramedics show up.
Didn't want to post in this topic...but I will anyway.
I have nearly attempted suicide before. And it is horrible to be so depressed, and I mean REALLY depressed, to get to that point. I obviously didn't succeed, I didn't even go through with my attempt because I got scared at the last minute. And it's not something that I like to talk about; this happened several years ago and only about two weeks ago was the first time that I was able to even say that I have nearly attempted suicide.
I agree with what you said Rev, I still don't totally think suicide is a great way out and I think that if you are willing to put people under such sadness just for yourself it is quite selfish. However I have a certain admiration for those who shut up and do it rather than whining.
"She died in my arms, and i dont hate her for it, i hate myself for not kicking in that door quicker or being a better friend"
Why though? You wouldn't have had to kick the door down had she not decided to do it. Now her suicide has left you in that position which you wouldn't be in were it not for her. I'm sorry that it happened though, respect you for dealing with it. Just don't beat yourself up, she made her choice.
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i don't sympathize for suicidal people because there are too many people who have attempted it. It's practically "the thing to do" when you're growing up and that makes me lose all compassion for the rest of the group.
i've seen some friends deal with far worst sh!t than 90% of people who commit suicide, and the only reason they are still alive is because they don't take the things they have for granted.
Always live life to it's fullest, see the glass half full, and think about the poeple you affect by your actions....not just how it affects you.
Here is a link for focus adolescent services (USA) Click on the state you are in and there are many toll free hotline numbers to call for help for troubled teens.http://www.focusas.com/Directory.html
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