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Stop saying Spectre got killed by Parralax, he didn't.
If you refer to Hal Jordqan becoming Spectre, that happened because Spectre chose him as the next Human to carry Spectre. And it doesn't matter since arralax is crazily Powerful, he destroyed the whole Universe and wanted to create it again (the whole thing).
Maybe you don't know it but Spectre is the MAN, he can kick everyones ass, except for LT maybe. I don't know about Superman Prime, did he ever show any power at all, wasn't that the Golden Guy with GL ring at the end of One Million. If he is he seems to be Powerful but I don't know how strong he is (but doesn't matter, Spectre kills both in a second (probably less))
And Parralax didn't have a problem to create a Sun he had a problem with absorbing a crazy strong being the Sun Eater (Whoich Franklin or X-Man couldn't do shit against)
Actually if you read my posts you could see I wanted clarification on that one because I wasnt sure. Like I said I dont know that much about DC besides some basic stuff.
Parralax can destroy a whole universe? Ok and at just a fraction of his future powers franklin created one and he didnt need anybody to help him. You think itd be any difficulty whatsoever for Franklin to destroy universes? Even Nate should be able to do that.
You have stated that Franklin wouldnt be able to do anything against Sun eater. Why do you believe this to be true? Why would an entity eating the sun even be much trouble for Frank? He could send the Sun eater into a different reality, destroy it (that reality) and then create a new sun. Or whatever else he felt like doing.
Tell me this, has Parralax ever beaten Spectre?
Ive read that Parralax had to use all his powers to create a second sun, is that true?
From what I understand Spectre can be harmed by beings of immense power. Franklin has immense power.
So if Franklin has limitless power, can alter reality and pretty much do anything how is it he doesnt have a chance?
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Parrallax Has fought Spectre but Spectre could only win with the help of other Heros, And He didn't need all his powers to create a new sun but to absorb and destroy the Sun eater, not that that would make any sense if the Sun Eater wasn't some kinsd of Super mega Cosmic being since Parralax is unbelievably Powerful. But anyway is there any restriction to Franklin Richards or is he basically more powerful than anyone else. Like you make it sound as if he could destroy the Living Tribunal if he wanted. What can Franklin Richards actually do, if he can only create an universe I believe Spectre could (even though he never would) do that too.
Parallax Killed the Sun Eater...not the prior Spectre...have no idea what became of him. As I understand it, Spectre changes hosts from time to time...Hal simply became the Spectre after he died fighting the Sun Eater.
Parallax is much like the SS in that he stores and channels energies. He attained "God-like" powers after accumulating enough energies over a large period of time. When he fought the sun eater, he was depowered by that point.
I like how the DC writers had him destroy the universe...through some kind of cosmic event (time fissures or something like that)...i.e. he didn't 'zap' the universe away like the Beyonder did. He simply started a process that he knew would "restart" the universe in a way he liked. Cool and efficient, very Thanos like!
As for Franklin, he's maximum potential is supposed to be on par with the cosmic beings like, say, The Shaper or Beyonder.
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I know that (it just doesn't support my point as DC Fanboy)
Anyway Marvel Characters are so fäkking overpowered, but you are right at full potential Franklin Richards could probably beat Spectre (wonderful you made me say it, I think I will cry now)
well superman doesnt really matter in this fight, hes too weak. x man has powers that probably equal the celestials at full strength so he can easily beat superman, the only thing is spectar and franklin spectar is made of PSYCHO MATTER and he is immensely powerful as he recieves his powers directly from god. but we have seen in the past that he is not in any way on par with beings like lucifer and micheal{the ones which have the ability to create universes}, and the spectar got the beating of his life by parallex.
on the othhand, if what franklin richards can do is even a hint to his true potential than i believe that franklin's true potential is FAR greater then any celestial that ever lived, it might even be on par with the tribunal or the true beyonders. because create reality or universes at the whim of a single thought is beyond any power{other than THOTU} that i have ever seen in the marvel universe, its like the combined powers of micheal and lucifer or the demiurgic powers of elaine{dc}. looking at all this, i have to say that if franklin reaches reaching anyplace even slightly near his full potential, hed own the spectar's ass.
another thing parallex was a lot more powerful than spectar, spectar tried{along with every other hero in marvel} to stop parallex from startin zero hour but parallex just swat them like flies. Also the sun eater's power went beyond just eating the sun and they were a threat to the universe, and the only reason that hal had a problem fighting them was because he was powered down.
I hope you no that we are talking about superman prime.A histoy on prime if i may. >Superman of the 853rd Century was the ages-old descendant of the modern Superman. His Kryptonian DNA -- though diluted through centuries of inter-species breeding -- blessed him with incredible Kryptonian-derived powers; today's Superman's powers . . . taken to the Nth degree.
>These powers were positively amended by centuries of evolution as well as the Superman Dynasty's inter-breeding with 5th Dimension (magic) royalty and the Solaris-facilitated inheritance of the "powers of the Heisenberg Principle" (awesome quantum powers).
>Upon returning from thousands of years' exile in deep space, our Superman -- now known as Superman Prime -- returned with powers and abilities gleaned "from beyond space and time" and established a covenant with his children: in return for their perpetual allegiance to Superman's moral code and the "never ending battle," Superman Prime would empower them with "powers far beyond those possessed by any metahuman" in history. To administer these powers to his descendants, Superman transformed Earth's star into the Super Sun (which was so hot not even our Superman could not approach it!) and bequeated his gifts via amped-up cosmic radiation. Pleased with the formation of this covenant, Superman retreated into solar hibernation -- entrusting the Universe to his dynasty's care.
>What powers did Superman 853 and (presumably) his cousins possess? The short answer? All of them.
>For now, let's just say that he was powerful enough to halt billions of rocketing stars and planets -- merely by looking at them!
And yet here's more:
>Apparently, he had become a matter/energy/reality manipulator of the highest order.
>Then he went into hibernation in the core of the sun for 15,000 years. He transformed the sun into the "Supersun" and he basically BECAME the sun, much like the Skyfather of Krypton, Rao. (Superman basically became Rao the Skyfather, as I see it.)
>From his solar fortress of solitude, he administered powers "from the edge of time and space" to his descendants so long as they pledged to serve Earth. These powers put them beyond any metahuman ever in the DCU. Besides Superman Prime granting his descendants the full package of Superman's super-powers (and at Pre Crisis level, to boot: extinguishing a red giant star with the superbreath, igniting stars with heat vision, "more powerful than the gravity from a black hole", superintelligence, FTL speed, etc.), his descendants also enjoyed a slew of additional powers, including but not limited to: "force vision", super-telekinesis, super-ESP, as well as undisclosed 5th dimensional magic powers.
>All of these vast abilities were administered to his descendants by the Superman Prime from his solar fortress.
>Captain Kal estimated that as he was the power source for his descendants, the Superman Prime probably enjoyed a power level 10x that of his descendants.
>In the year 853,000, the Superman Prime left his solar fortress, gained the last Green Lantern ring, and apparently used his matter/energy/reality warping abilities to reconfigure the "it only works for Kyle Ryner" mechanism of the ring.
>Superman Prime then resurrected Lois Lane as a cosmic being like himself ; created a new planet ; and resurrected from the dead a population of 10 million Kryptonians who had been dead 853,000 years.
>I would guess his powers were not limited to superstrength/flight/heat vison etc., but rather he was transformed into a Dr.Solar/Dr. Manhattan/Molecule Man/-type who could "do anything" with his matter/energy/reality manipulation abilities.
>He could molecularly reconstruct matter, such as the sun, as well as organic matter, such as his descendants; and probably manipulate space/time as when he brought back the "souls" fo his long dead ancestors and wife.
Here's some info. on Superman of the 853rd Century:
>His DNA was no longer recognizably Kryptonian...so he was either not vulnerable to Kryptonite or that vulnerability was greatly reduced.
>And magic? While magic was a great foil for Pre Crisis Superman, the Superman descendant of the 853rd Century had extra magical powers thrown in because one of his ancestors was the Empress of the 5th dimension and thus more powerful than Mxyzptlk.
>While the extent of his magical prowess was undisclosed, we know he gained 8 entirely new senses (added to Superman's already incredible senses) by the addition of 5-D blood.
>He also demonstrated super-ESP.
>In addition to the full complement of "normal" Superman powers, and whatever 5-D magical powers he had, he also demonstrated: "force-vison", and "super-telekinesis".
>So, Kryptonite and magic no longer posed any challenge for the Superman of the 853rd Century. Did he have ANY weaknesses?
>Yes, one Achilles' heel: his power was entirely administered by the Super-sun, the Superman Prime of the 853rd Century. Separated from it his powers would dwindle rapidly.
>Superman of the 853rd Century was the second most powerful Superman ever, after the Superman Prime of course who was the administrator of power for the entire Superman dynasty.
So what can we conclude? Not sure, but given what SP's descendants could do, and that SP was the source of those powers, I wouldn't exactly chalk up a victory. SP sounds like a being that could easily defeat a celestial, and even at Galactus' peak, he has a hard time defeating even one of those suckers.
Super Man Prime all the way. He's sooo powerful it isn't funny anymore, but hey, it's probably one of the strongest heroes ever, and certainly waaaay smarter than X-Man AND Franklin Richards together.
Don't forget intelligence and experience.
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I highly doubt that. Prime needed the GL ring to beat Solaris. And Solaris wanted to recover Kryptonite to use to kill Prime. With all the hype about Prime, I don't think he's beyond Franklin's reach. As a kid, he created a pocket universe. Prime's enemy was some living sun.
Spectre & Prime wins but by how much depends on how much power the Spectre is given.
I still think prime can take out Franklin Richard without any real problem cuss every superman even One Million get there power from him.and another thing atom man can creat a subatomic pocket universe
the only reason the spectre "isnt" seen to be tribunal's equal is becuase it was never part of his hyperbole. He is listed as the Wrath of god and that's it. LT on the other hand his description is well.......more descriptive. He's the guardian of the multiverse, he was commisioned by TOAA to render judgement, and blah blah blah. so at the end of the day he's just got more resposibilties than Spectre thats why it would seem that way.
but as we all know the chacrters in DC are ridiculously more powered up than marvel, so i wouldnt be too surprised if Spectre actually transcneds LT, but for the sake of reasoning i maintain that they are equals. in fact, LT was molded after Spectre, for those who need a history lesson.
Also, now that i think about it. Spectre could best Prime, providing that Prime doesnt have any artifacts like the ring, sword of truth
Actually, 1 Million does get energy from Prime, but 1 Million also has Imp blood in him. Prime NEVER received this because it was his descendent who married a 5th dimension Imp and that line after (including 1 Million) inherited Imp blood/powers. All his descendants do receive power from him; but not all need his powers as being part 5th dimensional Imp, they're powerful in their own rights.
Parallax gave Spectre trouble. The Infinity Gauntlet beat Eternity. And LT is above the IG. Though he had to struggle for the Gauntlet if Warlock resisted, LT would still get it in the end. And I don't think Parallax is greater than Eternity in power. Still Prime has yet to demonstrate he's more powerful than Spectre or Parallax. All this hype about him, and he needed a GL ring to fight Solaris, some living sun.
didnt prime defeat Lucifer Morningstar?(who by my understanding is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more powerful then spectre and parallax,Lucifer Morningstar who could basically withstand an explosion that could wipe out the whole multiverse)
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