Old thread but for comparison's sake, Dr. Strange was punking Scarlet Witch's reality changes. Any entity that can change reality at a skyfather level or higher probably wouldn't think of Wanda as a threat.
unless she removes them from existence entirely... For the purposes of this fight I'd say she BFR via taking away the entire existence of the DP in the universe.
Wanda is overrated due to the majority of readers not taking the time out to properly analyse the events and feats found within House of M and its spin off titles.
The Phoenix is leagues above any incarnation of Wanda. Wanda couldnt remove the Phoenix from existence, the Phoenix is something way beyond her, existence depends on the Phoenix.
Im going bed, no doubt by the time i wake up there will be some interesting replies
You know, wasn't Wanda's highest feat ever................ suspicious? I'm talking about the House of M "omniversal" rewriting.
Excalibur's lighthouse was the focal point/nexus that caused her planet wide spell to go omniversal no? If so, then that's a PF feat. Feron asked the PF to project the tower onto every plane of existence simultaneously. That would explain how she was able to accomplish such a feat.
If that is correct, Wanda is the most over rated piece of garbage on these forums. Any accomplished mage would smack her into next Tuesday.
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..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
Anyway, SW wins. The chaos wave has been pretty thoroughly stablished as a multiversal, some would argue omniversal, warp. The PF is still currently below eternity.
Youve been reading my posts in the X-men forums right
Basically the only feats Wanda is directly responsible for are the creation of House of M, which is a universal scale reality warp that she couldnt control and she required the emotional support of Pietro and the powers of Professor Xavier to co-ordinate. It was the limit of her power to do this which is why she was hidden away in House of M maintaining the spell and then she lost control when the heroes started attacking. It was a botch job anyway because her warp was a thin veil over reality which Layla Miller and Wolverine could see through.
Other than that she also removed the mutant gene from planet Earth. Big deal. Another botch job because she left near 200 unaffected.
How is any of that a match for Eternity, let alone the multiversal Phoenix?
People also wrongly attribute the Chaos Wave as a feat of Wandas when she had no direct part in its creation whatsoever and had no knowledge of it.
The warped reality of HOM leaked through the dimensional doorway based at Excaliburs lighthouse straight into Otherworld. It wasnt specifically created, maintained or controlled by Wanda. It was an anomaly triggered by the creation of House of M therefore it and all it did are not attributable as feats to Wanda.
Furthermore as misinterpreted by many, the wave never went around existence collapsing realities and it certainly never spread across existence simultaneously collapsing realities.
All what happened was it leaked through the doorway into Otherworld and collided with Otherworld. The Phoenix Force connected all realities of existence to Otherworld making it a place of omniversal significance. A keystone of reality, a support column. So the Chaos Wave collided with this nexus, shaking it up, resulting in a domino effect which saw a few realities collapse.
The Chaos Wave did NOT directly collapse any realities, it struck Otherworld and as Otherworld is connected to all existence thanks to the Phoenix, it triggered further destruction.
However as clearly depicted in the comic, the Chaos Wave was not a massive threat when tackled head on, it was a threat when unchecked and because it struck suddenly and without warning.
When it was identified, it got handled in about 3 panels by Excalibur.
The Wave triggered effects across all existence but it had no direct part in the destruction apart from colliding with Otherworld. Otherworld was made a keystone of existence when the Phoenix Force linked it to all realities. Thus by striking Otherworld as stated and shown, the wave triggered further destruction in other realities.
The Phoenix Force is far from below Eternity in current continuity. Its avatars have been empowered to manipulate all that Eternity is within the palm of their hands.
The latest handbook calls the Force multiversal and numerous on panel accounts by reputable characters such as Death, Roma, the Watcher, Kubik and Reed Richards refer to it as the Big Bang, the power source of reality and that without it there would be no reality, nothing but a void.
Pre WWH Dr Strange with prep would take her out without a doubt.
She has been hyped to ridiculous proportions by some posters and the majority of readers on these forums just swallowed what they were told without taking the time out to analyse what was actually stated and shown themselves.
Its role in cyclic destruction and recreation of the cosmos does not put it above eternity at the current satage in the universe's life. Seen as every reality has a phoenix force, if we consider them all expressions of the same entity, then we can speak of a multiphoenix sure, just like we can speak of a multieternity. I would say multiphoenix is below multieternity.
Youre making the assumption that specific role is the be all and end all of the Phoenix. As well as perpetuating the creation cycle, the Phoenix Force as stated is those very creation energies from which reality derives, from which concepts are given meaning enabling the existence of the abstracts. The difference between Eternity and the Phoenix is that it is literally those creation energies gone sentient, whereas Eternity is a concept given meaning by the Big Bang and his powers derive from its energies.
That is why as stated on panel by Death, without the Phoenix Force, there is a void, there is no Eternity.
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Oct 12th, 2010 03:00 AM
Another botch job because she left near 200 unaffected.
